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I Hate Steven Erikson....

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    I Hate Steven Erikson....

    The man doesn't stop writing! I intended to avoid reading any novels until I get my first draft done, but I can't do it! Not with a Steven Erikson novel coming out.....

    If anyone is interested, his new book is titled Forge of Darkness.

    When does this man sleep.
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    Yeah, I saw that. The guy is a beast. And the books are good. I'm looking forward to this new trilogy.
    "With age came wisdom. Sometimes wisdom came with an ass kicking, too. And nothing could kick ass like the whole world." -The character "Horn" ruminating on his circumstances. The Decaying Mansions of Memory, by Jay Lake.

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    This little blip captures why I love Steven Erikson.

    "When stripped down to its bones, criticism is a form of oppression. Its intent is to manipulate both artist and audience, by imposing rules on aesthetic appreciation. Curiously, its first task is to belittle the views of those who appreciate a certain work but are unable or unwilling to articulate their reasons for doing so. On occasion, of course, one of those viewers rises to the bait, taking umbrage at being dismissed as being ignorant, at which point critics en masse descend to annihilate the fool. No more than defending one's own precious nest, one presumes. But on another level, it is the act of those in power protecting their interests, those interests being nothing less than absolute oppression through the control of personal taste." (p.33)
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    Nice one, Ankari. That would make for a good, if slightly long, signature line!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
    Nice one, Ankari. That would make for a good, if slightly long, signature line!
    Better yet, a mantra to live by. Print it, tape it to your bathroom mirror, and read it every day.

    Fricken Steven Erikson.
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    Erikson's prolific nature never ceases to amaze me. Reading Memories of Ice now and glad to saw I still have much more to look forward to in this unique, bizarre world of Malazan.
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    I haven't read anything by Erickson, but that anti-criticism quote is preposterous on its face. Perhaps there's additional missing context that would make more sense--but on its face, the idea that all forms of criticism are inherently invalid, evil, and useless is nonsensical. Maybe if you defined "criticism" as "negative, hateful criticism that seeks only to tear down, belittle, and destroy," but I don't think most people use the word "criticism" that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Clayborne View Post
    I haven't read anything by Erickson, but that anti-criticism quote is preposterous on its face. Perhaps there's additional missing context that would make more sense--but on its face, the idea that all forms of criticism are inherently invalid, evil, and useless is nonsensical. Maybe if you defined "criticism" as "negative, hateful criticism that seeks only to tear down, belittle, and destroy," but I don't think most people use the word "criticism" that way.
    The quote is from a character in a novel.
    "With age came wisdom. Sometimes wisdom came with an ass kicking, too. And nothing could kick ass like the whole world." -The character "Horn" ruminating on his circumstances. The Decaying Mansions of Memory, by Jay Lake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
    The quote is from a character in a novel.
    No, I got that, I just got the impression that it was being presented as Erickson's actual opinion (i.e. mouthpiece character).

    Regardless, I still disagree with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Clayborne View Post
    No, I got that, I just got the impression that it was being presented as Erickson's actual opinion (i.e. mouthpiece character).

    Regardless, I still disagree with it
    I think it may approximate his opinion (and I think Erikson is right in many ways, so long as you don't take it as an absolute). Erikson does a fair amount of 'debating' between characters about art, the relationship of the artist and the consumer of art, and so on. I think Erikson himself is more sympathetic to a character that espouses the above than to the opposite view, and I am with him on that, but I think the character overstates the case for dramatic purposes. There are generally others to balance it out.
    "With age came wisdom. Sometimes wisdom came with an ass kicking, too. And nothing could kick ass like the whole world." -The character "Horn" ruminating on his circumstances. The Decaying Mansions of Memory, by Jay Lake.

    You, too, can get a copy of Lorelei and the Lost and Found Monster from Amazon.com.

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