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    Stuck on a Name

    So one of the religions in my world (technically the only organized religion as the others are more loosely regulated "faiths"), the Orthodoxy of Beorgia, has an elite group of elemental wielders commissioned by the highest administrative level to enforce the will of the Orthodoxy by any means necessary. They're kind of like the Dai Li from Avatar, except they work for the religion instead of the state. The problem is that I'm not sure what to call them.

    Originally I was going to call this elite group the Inquisitorium and call their individual agents Inquisitors. This immediately conjures an association with the Spanish Inquisition, which is in fact why I chose it. The problem with this is that that association might invite more comparisons between the Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church, which rather misses the point. I considered calling them The Cabal instead, but then I'd have to call their agents Cabalists, which might offend Jews.










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    I'd choose something from the Orthodox church, to keep in style. There is something called an Autocephaly (it's on wikipedia) that sounds appropriate.

    As far as Cabal goes, I remember World of Warcraft using the name for a pack of villains, so I wouldn't worry over offending any religion with this.

    Or else you could just make your own names?

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    So I presume these guys are evil? Hmm.... how about calling them something normally assosiated with good like Paladins?
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    Personally I like the sound of Cabalists, but see why you worry. However, if WoW can pull it off, maybe you can too. I don't know how good it'd sound, but maybe you could blend the two names you had thought of?

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    Thanks for the suggestions! I'm starting to think that "Inquisitors" was a bit too on-the-nose anyway. It's also a fairly long word, and as a rule I try to keep my names relatively simple. Such names sound more natural and are easier for the reader to keep track of I believe. I like the "Paladins" suggestion, but I also like the sound of "Cabalists" (maybe because it reminds me of the Equalists?) and now I'm having a hard time choosing between them! lol

    @Queshire: They are evil, but they think themselves the "good guys", so I think Paladin could be a good fit for them.
    The Orthodoxy is actually descended from an ancient heroic group known as the Champions, who were a lot like your typical RPG hero in that they were a kind of protective service who would go out on quests for people to fight monsters or chase of wild animals, since the land was wild and untamed in those days. After a while though, things settled down and they weren't needed as much, but by that time they had amassed significant power and prestige that they were unwilling to give up. So they invented a religion and made themselves into priests so they could keep their power over the common people and the Czar.

    So now I'm caught again. Cabalists sounds more mysterious and intimidating, while Paladins fits will with their established backstory. Which to choose?
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    Use both; black paladins and rogues. Powerful combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylorne View Post
    Use both; black paladins and rogues. Powerful combo.
    I don't quite understand what you mean.
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    I would use cabalists if they were more mystically inclined then martially. Oh, and have you considered calling them Templars? That might have the same assosiaction with a particular religion as inquisitors that you were trying to avoid, (though I don't know which particular religion, if any, was associated with them) but it's a frequently used name for people that are evil but view their actions as good, as seen in this trope; Knight Templar - Television Tropes & Idioms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queshire View Post
    I would use cabalists if they were more mystically inclined then martially. Oh, and have you considered calling them Templars? That might have the same assosiaction with a particular religion as inquisitors that you were trying to avoid, (though I don't know which particular religion, if any, was associated with them) but it's a frequently used name for people that are evil but view their actions as good, as seen in this trope; Knight Templar - Television Tropes & Idioms
    Well it's complicated. They are viewed as mystical by the common people, but their religious system is entirely fake, having been invented, as I said, many centuries ago as a cleverly disguised power grab. So while they wear the trappings of mystics, they're not really priests, just assassins/enforcers who fight by using elemental "pets".

    Templars were (sort of) associated with Catholicism, but I don't think that's quite the right name for this group. The Templars were knights and soldiers. The group I've invented is a lot more shadowy and secretive. They're not a martial order in service to a church, but rather a group of manipulators and killers who veil themselves in mysticism and secrecy. Cabalists would be a good name for how they are seen by the common people- shadow-priests with strange powers who appear and vanish at will, while Paladins or Dark Paladins would represent how they view themselves internally- as a group who does "the dirty work", but in service of a good cause.

    Incidentally, calling them Templars might now conjure an association with Assassin's Creed, which is also undesirable.
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    Hmmm....................... In that case, maybe take a look at some of the common secret conspiracies and try to get inspiration from the likes of the illumanati or other such groups.
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