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About LinkBacksWhat don't you like about Buffy's vampires?Originally Posted by Lorna
This is a discussion on "vampires, who likes them, who doesn't?" in the World Building forum.
What don't you like about Buffy's vampires?
Why is it surprising that a vampire says that killing vampires is wrong? Don't vampires have a self-preservation instinct?
Only if you define vampires as inherently evil. Whether that's the case depends entirely on the mythos.When did it become morally wrong to kill vampires? Killing vampires is just about the most righteous kind of killing there could possibly be.
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Well, if something wants to eat and/or kill you, I'd say killing it is justified, if only for self-defense. As for the vampires of Skyrim, their big introduction is that you walk into a castle and witness them nonchalantly feasting on a corpse. ...So yeah. And while I'm not surprised by the desire for self-preservation, the fact that they can claim it's morally wrong to kill them (without saying why) is puzzling. These creatures practically wallow in their evil. They worship an evil god, try to blot out the sun, and they feast on corpses.
Last edited by Mindfire; 7-23-12 at 10:06 PM.
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You read my mind. I much prefer the monster than the human in the vampire stories
i like a good vampire story. i want my vampires to be like gary oldman's dracula. creepy and old at home, charming and sophisticated when he needs to be, and a monster beast when he's feeding and/or ****ing.
what i'd really like to see an end to is every vampire story having an obligatory werewolf thrown in. i don't mind werewolves. but i don't want them in my vampire story. i'm willing to suspend my disbelief for one type of fantasy monster at a time.
and i really really really don't want to see any more stories about a vampire and a werewolf competing for some boring human girl. i'm not only talking about twilight. i've read like three or four books like that recently, and i don't like the trend at all.
i was really digging true blood through the first season and (i think) most of the second. (it's been a while.) but then, of course, they had to add werewolves to the mix, and i quit watching altogether when (you guessed it) sookie started making goo goo eyes at a werewolf.
what's wrong with just having a vampire in your vampire book?
I do like Buffy. Not necessarily because of how the vampires are portrayed there, but because of the show as a whole.
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Ok, here's my two cents.
I like Twilight, Angel, Buffy, and all of the other vampire crap ya'll have mutilated. So, shoot me.
Vampires need to be interesting in your story for them to work. If all they do is grab and suck people dry there's no personality or character there. I like edgy vamps, like Anne Rice's versions - suave, but feral. The Thirst is a decent motivator, but there's got to be another layer or they're just mindless blood suckers - which is ~boring~!
The thing is, I'm tired of vampire stories. I started my RPGing with Vampire: The Masquerade, and that was 10+ years ago. Please, someone, stop the vampires from taking over.
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To answer your questions - use vamps if they fit your story. If you decide to go with your new race creation then by all means do so. Perhaps allying them with - or hiding them behind - the vampire legend may actually help you in your plot? A secret society shadowed by a secret race. Has potential in my mind. I hope this all helps, and it's 2 AM and my brain is a bit mushy.
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I find this awesome, because my WIP has werewolves. I refuse to add vamps. One paranormal species at a time, dag-nabbit!
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See this ^ is a perfect example of what I don't really understand. Why do monsters need personality? Werewolves I get, because they're still partially human. But the entire point of vampires is that the have no humanity. They're soulless demons. That's why its okay to massacre them with impunity. Making them "human" sort of muddles the point and makes them seem less threatening. Or maybe I'm just saying this to be contrarian. I don't know.
I'd consider Underworld an exception to this, however, partly because their vampires are (sort of) science-based instead of magic or supernatural based, which is a game changer. And also because the movie was so awesome.
Last edited by Mindfire; 7-24-12 at 8:34 AM.
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Again, surely this depends on the mythos behind the vampire. What if the vampire is an infected or possessed human that is driven to kill against it's will? You could kill it, sure, but what if you could cure it instead? Is it morally right to kill a vampire just because it is the easy path? This reminds me of the argument behind whether or not to shut off a coma patient's life support. Well, sort of.
Also, check the story of I Am Legend. He kills the vampires without mercy, under the assumption that they are all violent and evil. The ending of the story reveals that the morality is reversed.
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