Tom
Istar
I know. I just needed to do that for myself.
If I might ask why does the the whole thread have to be deleted, the thread itself contains good artwork while some of it is sexist, that doesn't mean the whole thread should be deleted. Even though I hold no power he I would think that thing thread should be closed not deleted. But again I say it's not my choice or decision.
Here! Here is some lovely fantasy art of attractive black women doing badass things. Please, tell me again that we should settle for jungle warriors in bikinis.
...I was actually going to say something in support of not deleting it, because I know some artists rely on forum threads as indexes of old artwork that they might not have saved elsewhere. As much as I might not like it...it is someone's art. But if you're letting him know if it's going to be deleted, I think that'd be a good compromise. And it's a good point about the pace of the art forum, and how long this would be hanging around.
@Nameback: Thank you for lecturing me on why I'm so wrong.
I'm aware of African clothing conventions, and that African clothing is traditionally more revealing than European (due to climate differences), but that's no excuse for blatant sexualization. One element of a composition is not enough to consider; you have to look at the whole thing--the clothing, the figure beneath, the way the artist presents the figure, the intent behind the scene.
Many of Jabrosky's female characters are drawn with the focus on their breasts or buttocks, or in sexy poses. There's nothing wrong with that in the right context, but an artist should be able to depict a female character in a non-sexual way when there's nothing sexual in the context. If you can't tell the difference between wholesome sexuality and fetishization/sexual objectification, I'd recommend heading over to Escher Girls or Bikini Armor Battle Damage. Many of the pictures they feature and deconstruct deal with the fetishization/sexual objectification of female characters.
You seem to be projecting racism on me--I don't consider a black beauty standard wrong in any way. Where the hell could you have taken that from in my post? Just because I disagree with someone's depiction of black women does not mean I don't consider black women beautiful. I don't like Jabrosky's portrayal of black women, because I consider it racist, sexist, and disrespectful.
Plus, you seem to be under the impression that I disagree with interracial couples. No. I simply find it off-putting that Jabrosky depicts his self-insert in sexual situations with fetishized black women. That's what I mean by depicting women as sexual objects. They are accessories for the male character's enjoyment.
Please discover the difference between "preferring a black female standard of beauty" and "exclusively fetishizing black women". Maybe then you'll see why Jabrosky's artwork bothers me so very much.
Ta. I need to take an aspirin.
Honestly, I could go on about this. I could bring in things that Jabrosky has said elsewhere that seriously make me doubt the intentions behind the artwork.
But you're posing the question as though the only options are these sexualized images of black women, or nobody will ever draw black women again! I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this argument, sorry. We'll just break this down.
You had that strawman up in a jiffy. You're saying that if someone doesn't like Jabrosky's drawings of "sexually attractive" black women, they must, by deduction, dislike ALL depictions of attractive black women? That's, uh, that's pretty ridiculous. The logic in the rest of the post is somewhat along those lines.
Good thing these boobs aren't being drawn by a Western white male in a sexual way! Wait, um...
Right, he's just made every single one of his main characters and every female character's love interest into a white man. In African settings.
What makes them valuable is that white men want to have sex with them! Of course.
I...I just can't. I can't.
Automatically assuming a defensive stance when someone critiques you and says you are being problematic is not good allyship.