Alyssa
Troubadour
Why is this reminding me of Twilight, which I never want to be reminded of???
that brings back awful memories...
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Is This Too Gross?
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that brings back awful memories...
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
^Sorry about that.
DragonOfTheAerie
Vala
Once I read a sample of Twilight for the heck of it. Holy crap, what a judgmental, disagreeable main character...
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
It's so badly written that it's almost unbelievable.
Shall we graciously change the subject?
Shall we graciously change the subject?
Alyssa
Troubadour
^
NO!
Don't change it... Talking about Twilight is disturbing, but compelling... like a trainwreck... must keep watching...
NO!
Don't change it... Talking about Twilight is disturbing, but compelling... like a trainwreck... must keep watching...
Ireth
Myth Weaver
Did you know Meyer wrote a version of Twilight (just the first book, iirc) with everyone's genders swapped? I can't decide if that makes the whole thing better or worse. ._.;
Life and Death: Twilight Reimagined by Stephenie Meyer ? Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
^^I'd rather close my eyes and listen to the explosion, thanks.
Alyssa
Troubadour
DragonOfTheAerie
Vala
I e heard of that...
Annoyingkid
Banned
This is dark but it's not a dealbreaker yet. I assume the monster looks like a man in order to lure the women. But you later say his babies look like dragon (flies) , so which form is he taking here? It is possible to recover psychologically from being raped by another human somewhat but by a giant mutated dragonfly? No amount of therapy in the world.
it's still horrifiying. I'd expect the women's sanity to break down here. Unless it controls her mind. Which is getting really disturbing.
And what if she doesn't? Does it starve out or does she have no choice?
So it's going to wait like four months to eat one half grown baby? That's so dumb. It's being gross for the sake of it.
You talk like it's one of those creature companions in MMO's. But what's the point in giving away it's presence? What do you think the woman is doing at this point? Again is she mind controlled?
Once this phenomena becomes known, she'd commit suicide or be murdered long before then. Does she have enormous durability too? Because if it gives it's presence away like that people will burn her at the stake. Or stab.
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psychotick
Auror
Hi Guys,
The true horror of Twilight was that - at least here in NZ - it was originally marketted as a vampire story, which is why I got the first one out of the vid store. It was only about half way through when I realised kid vampire boy wasn't going to do the right thing and rip the throat out of the annoying girl, that the true horror of it really sank in! That it was in fact some sickening romance for brain dead ten year old girls. If only they'd marketted it correctly I would have never been exposed to such a nauseating video nasty - and I would have been perfectly happy with the movie - since I wouldn't have watched it!
As it is the therapy bills from having watched that first half hour have been mounting up over the years! (It's technically known as Post Non-Traumatic Stress Disorder.) It's true what they say. There just isn't enough blood, death and gore in the entire movie world to wipe out the memory of even half an hour of a tween romance!!!
Cheers, Greg.
The true horror of Twilight was that - at least here in NZ - it was originally marketted as a vampire story, which is why I got the first one out of the vid store. It was only about half way through when I realised kid vampire boy wasn't going to do the right thing and rip the throat out of the annoying girl, that the true horror of it really sank in! That it was in fact some sickening romance for brain dead ten year old girls. If only they'd marketted it correctly I would have never been exposed to such a nauseating video nasty - and I would have been perfectly happy with the movie - since I wouldn't have watched it!
As it is the therapy bills from having watched that first half hour have been mounting up over the years! (It's technically known as Post Non-Traumatic Stress Disorder.) It's true what they say. There just isn't enough blood, death and gore in the entire movie world to wipe out the memory of even half an hour of a tween romance!!!
Cheers, Greg.
Ireth
Myth Weaver
That's bizarre. Here in Canada it was marketed as a romance -- the back cover explicitly said that Edward is a vampire, that he thirsts for Bella's blood, and that she was in love with him. Part of what made it unbearable for me was Bella taking so long to realize the vampire bit. The rest was the ridiculously unhealthy (read: mutually abusive, though Edward does more) nature of their relationship which was still touted as a romance for the ages. Ugh.
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psychotick
Auror
Hi Annoying,
Yes, the woman is mad, driven so by the pregnancy - if it can really be called that. The creature inside her is more a parasite than a baby. Think of a wasp baby laid in a host caterpillar. And through a mix of chemicals and magic she has come to believe the thing inside her is her baby, that the father is her loving prince, and she will do absolutely anything to make sure it is born into a world it can survive in (even if that world is not able to support human life!)
Note that the baby is not even the father's baby - just a parasite it uses as a race of servants to reshape the new world it arrives in to meet its needs. And the baby is able to live inside the mother even though its larger than her even unborn because its otherworldly like the father. Living inside her is a form of protection for it since it can't actually survive in the world until its mature, so its actually bound to her for a few years. But as it matures, it slowly becomes more of the world, and at some point becomes able to survive in it - at which point, despite having strengthened the mother enormously, it rips its way free of her.
As for the father, I've never described him at all. He is the ultimate big bad - think something like the great old ones from Lovecraft - never seen or even really part of the book. He's just the main threat destroying the world. An otherworldly being recently arrived. And he lays(?) his parasitic servants in vulnerable girls because when they mature they can serve him, rebuilding the world into a form in which he can survive. In this case he lives in a volcano, deep underground and his servants are there to ultimately convert the entire world into a volcanic wonderland full of lava and toxic gasses.
I've got rid of the whole baby eating part, because you're right, it does almost seem contrived to be gross simply to be gross.
But what are these creature companions you mention and from which MMO's? It doesn't sound like a game I'm familiar with and I would hate for my monsters to be too similar to others out there.
Cheers, Greg.
Yes, the woman is mad, driven so by the pregnancy - if it can really be called that. The creature inside her is more a parasite than a baby. Think of a wasp baby laid in a host caterpillar. And through a mix of chemicals and magic she has come to believe the thing inside her is her baby, that the father is her loving prince, and she will do absolutely anything to make sure it is born into a world it can survive in (even if that world is not able to support human life!)
Note that the baby is not even the father's baby - just a parasite it uses as a race of servants to reshape the new world it arrives in to meet its needs. And the baby is able to live inside the mother even though its larger than her even unborn because its otherworldly like the father. Living inside her is a form of protection for it since it can't actually survive in the world until its mature, so its actually bound to her for a few years. But as it matures, it slowly becomes more of the world, and at some point becomes able to survive in it - at which point, despite having strengthened the mother enormously, it rips its way free of her.
As for the father, I've never described him at all. He is the ultimate big bad - think something like the great old ones from Lovecraft - never seen or even really part of the book. He's just the main threat destroying the world. An otherworldly being recently arrived. And he lays(?) his parasitic servants in vulnerable girls because when they mature they can serve him, rebuilding the world into a form in which he can survive. In this case he lives in a volcano, deep underground and his servants are there to ultimately convert the entire world into a volcanic wonderland full of lava and toxic gasses.
I've got rid of the whole baby eating part, because you're right, it does almost seem contrived to be gross simply to be gross.
But what are these creature companions you mention and from which MMO's? It doesn't sound like a game I'm familiar with and I would hate for my monsters to be too similar to others out there.
Cheers, Greg.
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
^^Whenever I see any copy of Twilight, I want to rip it apart and burn it. The only other book that has caused that reaction is The Handmaid's Tale. *shudder*
staiger95
Scribe
I will have to agree with Michael "Forget about gross, this is too self-inconsistent and gratuitous for my tastes."
A writer must ask: What are the elements that are actually needed for the story, and why? Beyond that, some things are just superfluous nonsense. Target audience always makes a difference, naturally, but sometimes simple i still best.
A writer must ask: What are the elements that are actually needed for the story, and why? Beyond that, some things are just superfluous nonsense. Target audience always makes a difference, naturally, but sometimes simple i still best.
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
There's plenty of superfluous nonsense in my books......some of it important, some of it world building, and some of it neither.
...some of it important, some of it world building, and some of it neither.
Michael K. Eidson
Archmage
There's plenty of superfluous nonsense in my books...
Have you found a large audience for your superfluous nonsense?
TheCrystallineEntity
Istar
^No, but the few people who have read my books like them a lot.
Annoyingkid
Banned
In the MMO Vanguard Saga of Heroes you can summon a little dragon to fight alongside you, Guild Wars has the celestial minipet companions. But I was mostly talking in general, the idea that it's already tricked the woman into thinking that's her baby and she must bring it to term. How can it maintain that spell if it reveals itself? Only way is if it's completely taken over the woman's mind, meaning she's essentially already dead. If her blood turns pale her skin colour would change and so it's game over. People will know who to kill. People aren't going to just allow such a creature to multiply as it can very easily become a threat to the very existance of any fantasy race, much less humanity.
Appearing like some attached spectral dragon and having it fight seems like a sacrificing of internal logic for video game imagery. If her blood really does turn pale, she'd want to be as far from other people as possible. The parasite would want her living alone in a forest or wilderness, safe from reprisal until it's grown. What does it gain from being around people? Does it mind control all the other people as well to keep it's increasingly pale host from being slain? Again does it make her invulnerable to all their attacks? In which case why does it ever need to show itself and fight?
Appearing like some attached spectral dragon and having it fight seems like a sacrificing of internal logic for video game imagery. If her blood really does turn pale, she'd want to be as far from other people as possible. The parasite would want her living alone in a forest or wilderness, safe from reprisal until it's grown. What does it gain from being around people? Does it mind control all the other people as well to keep it's increasingly pale host from being slain? Again does it make her invulnerable to all their attacks? In which case why does it ever need to show itself and fight?
Michael K. Eidson
Archmage
^No, but the few people who have read my books like them a lot.
Were these people friends and family? If you're going to put forth that your books contain superfluous nonsense and are well received by an audience, those of us reading your claims need to know something about your audience, if we are to make use of what you're telling us. Otherwise, what are we on this forum supposed to take from your pronouncement that your books contain superfluous nonsense and that your readers like them a lot?
