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Municipal government

Discussion in 'World Building' started by Aldarion, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Aldarion

    Aldarion Sage

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    OK, so political-military organization of my Empire approximates that of Middle Byzantine Empire with thematic system: landed soldiers etc. You can read more on historical background of such a system here. As for my world, it came about during Fomorian wars, when what remained of the Empire suddenly found its revenues completely insufficient for needs of defense, which then led to establishment of essentially stratioka ktemata / pronoia system. Question is, what would that imply for local government? Would it be possible for cities/towns to have organic / internal / bottom-up government (which would then lead to some being duchies, some republics etc.) in the vein of Holy Roman Empire, or would they all be governed by governors appointed by the central government? Or maybe there would be a combination of two systems (akin to Imperium from Warhammer 40k) where city handles most of its affairs by itself, but there is an imperial governor to keep an eye on whether city's obligations are fulfilled?
     
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  2. I would think that it would be likely to have a caste system among the leaders in such a society, with Emperor>Monarch>Prince(ess)>Duke/Duchess>Count(ess)>Baron(ess)/Baronet, whether or not you actually use those names of course. It could have words that are different to describe the same thing like:
    Emperor>High Monarch>Low Monarch>Spibble>Splat>Sporp
    But it's really up to you.
     
  3. Aldarion

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    That sounds like a feudal system, nothing like what I envisaged...
     
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  4. You said
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  5. Aldarion

    Aldarion Sage

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    Yeah, that was my mistake; it would actually be closer to a count but what I meant is basically a single person ruling a city and its surrounding area (which would be equivalent to Roman municipium).
     
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  6. Ah, so city states under an empire. Yes, that's an excellent idea.
     
  7. skip.knox

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    I don't see why you couldn't have one of everything. There was certainly a wide variety of forms of local governance historically. And fictionally you have an even greater range of possibilities. In fact, maybe even take a crack at inventing something new. Political science as creative fiction!
     
  8. Aldarion

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    That was actually one of ideas I had. Have cities have freedom of internal governance and then explore different types of government.
     
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  9. That could be pretty cool if executed correctly
     
  10. Gurkhal

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    I suppose it will depend on how you want your empire to work internally.

    If we would however go by the Hellenistic Kingdoms who did to my knowledge have a policy with local self-determination under the "guidence" of a royal agent, then yes it could absolutly work. You may want to take a look at the Antagonids who to my knowledge experimented a bit with how to control Greece, with mixed results.

    As for diversity of forms of government you should know that its risky to have other political ideologies in power except your own as they will be more inclined to rebel if given a chance, and band together with like-minded. But if there can be a royal agent to supervize the city and a royal garrison to back him up, then it could absolutely be so that it could work with local self-rule.

    One think you may think about is the legal powers of that agent and how he, or she, operates. Some way for the agent to essentially cause a stop to activities that goes counter to the empire's interests but also a way that can be used without humiliating the local rulers in public, make the emperor look like a tyrant or making local rule a farce.
     
  11. Miles Lacey

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    The United Arab Emirates is made up of seven Emirates which run their own affairs. They are ruled by an Emir. The Emir of Abu Dhabi is the President of the United Arab Emirates and Head of State. The Emir of Dubai is the Prime Minister and Head of Gvernment. Each Emir rules their Emirate as an absolute monarch. Thus, there's no reason why other territorial entities, such as a city-state, couldn't be ruled by a single person. No matter what system of governance you have it's likely something similar to what you have in mind has existed in the real world but you may need to do some hunting around.

    I modelled the local and central governments of the Empire in my WIP on the German Empire of 1871-1918 with some elements of the 1919-1933 Weimar Republic, the Maori King of the Waikato-King Country tribes here in New Zealand and the Hanseatic League tossed in.
     
  12. Aldarion

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    I only just remembered, but this is what I have written about political organization:
     
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