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    Wicca... Research help needed

    I would love And I do mean LOVE if any practicing Wiccan would be willing to allow me to pick their brain.
    I am getting ready to start penning my Wiccan MC and I really wish to portray the religion fairly.

    Please PM or post if interested.
    I did study Wicca a bit in my comparitive religion classes, but it was something that was barely touched on sadly.

    Thanks in advance,
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    What do you want to know? I can answer just about anything wicca-related.

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    OK, well I understand the basics, two higher powers one male one female, both equal etc etc

    What confuses me is the higerarchy of a coven, and the wide array of Craft practices.

    I have heard some argue that Wicca and Wiccan are two diffrent ideologies; and others say that it is not.

    Also (and I understand the reasons for the secrets but), it is nearly impossiable to get a practitioner to talk about the rituals preformed.

    Circle casting, spells, etc.

    We can trade IM info as the subject might offend some if you like.
    Send me a PM if you would prefer to talk about this off site.

    Thanks,
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    I'm a solitary, so I can't really answer questions about covens. Wiccans who are in traditional groups tend to be very reticent, but I'm not a member of a traditional group, either, so I can give you answers on general stuff. I don't mind talking on site.

    A really good site is http://wicca.cnbeyer.com
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    I will start with the site and as I write the scenes out, I will prolly have questions.

    Thank you!
    You are my hero of the day!!!! <3
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    You're quite welcome.

    By the way, if you don't mind me asking, what type of story are you doing? I've written a rough draft that I'm currently polishing, but I don't think I'd classify it as a fantasy. Being Wiccan, I want to portray Pagans as authentic people and avoid the whole Charmed, Buffy the Vampire Slayer urban fantasy-type stuff. As a result, I have to find ways to present certain things people might consider supernatural or paranormal in a way that seems perfectly plausible.
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    Well, I guess it would also depend on your Wiccan MC. Is she a part of a coven or is she a solitary or was she apart of coven who chose to become a solitary or vice versa?

    I ask only because there are different types of rituals performed based on many participants versus a solitary participant. But is there a specific type of ritual/rite you are wanting information on or do you just want information on how rituals/rites are done? There are many different rites that a Wiccan can go thru such as handfasting (or handsparting), The Great Rite (which is done between consenting adults), The Sacred Rite, The Birthing Rite, Coming of Age: Maidens of Seasons/Masters of Sun, Rite of Passage, The Passover, and The Circle of Destiny and The Wiccaning itself (just to name a few). Then there are rites done at Greater Sabbats, Lesser Sabbats, and Esbats.

    Also, there are other things to consider as well such as tools of the trade, color magic, moon magic, dream magic, candle magic, divination, herbs, oils, incense, alchemy, attunement, tarot, spell writing, Books of Shadow, and a few other things.

    As far as covens go, every coven has its own set of codes or laws that every member agrees to abide by. All members of the coven have to agree as to what these laws are. This protects the people in the coven and keeps out anyone who could damage the group.

    Keeping the secrets of the trade is essential to working magic. This is probably why most practitioners are so reluctant to talk to people outside the coven about what they do inside the coven. (That and some covens require a vow of silence). I know some people are of the opinion that strangers should not be allowed to view, touch, or know anything about the religion unless they are seriously considering the religion for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    You're quite welcome.

    By the way, if you don't mind me asking, what type of story are you doing? I've written a rough draft that I'm currently polishing, but I don't think I'd classify it as a fantasy. Being Wiccan, I want to portray Pagans as authentic people and avoid the whole Charmed, Buffy the Vampire Slayer urban fantasy-type stuff. As a result, I have to find ways to present certain things people might consider supernatural or paranormal in a way that seems perfectly plausible.
    My stories are more epic fantasy with a touch of Sci-Fi.

    There are 3 MC's 1 Who takes things to a dark place, murder, demonic type worship while infiltrating a coven to tear it down inorder to prove his "keep" to the others in the UnderWorld.

    1 who does not belive in Religion/powers/magic etc at all and is very OCD/scientific about life.

    her best friend is a member of a coven but practices a more natural type way of life, using herbs etc to produce that which she desiers to help benefit the people she cares about.

    So, while yeah, I do have a lot of Charmed type elements. I am working on dusting them off and explaining the system of beliefs behind these religions/practices that I am trying to protray.

    There is a complex backstory that helps the reader understand this concept better (at least I hope so) without hitting the cliche road too hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg the Healer View Post
    Well, I guess it would also depend on your Wiccan MC. Is she a part of a coven or is she a solitary or was she apart of coven who chose to become a solitary or vice versa?

    I ask only because there are different types of rituals performed based on many participants versus a solitary participant. But is there a specific type of ritual/rite you are wanting information on or do you just want information on how rituals/rites are done? There are many different rites that a Wiccan can go thru such as handfasting (or handsparting), The Great Rite (which is done between consenting adults), The Sacred Rite, The Birthing Rite, Coming of Age: Maidens of Seasons/Masters of Sun, Rite of Passage, The Passover, and The Circle of Destiny and The Wiccaning itself (just to name a few). Then there are rites done at Greater Sabbats, Lesser Sabbats, and Esbats.

    Also, there are other things to consider as well such as tools of the trade, color magic, moon magic, dream magic, candle magic, divination, herbs, oils, incense, alchemy, attunement, tarot, spell writing, Books of Shadow, and a few other things.

    As far as covens go, every coven has its own set of codes or laws that every member agrees to abide by. All members of the coven have to agree as to what these laws are. This protects the people in the coven and keeps out anyone who could damage the group.

    Keeping the secrets of the trade is essential to working magic. This is probably why most practitioners are so reluctant to talk to people outside the coven about what they do inside the coven. (That and some covens require a vow of silence). I know some people are of the opinion that strangers should not be allowed to view, touch, or know anything about the religion unless they are seriously considering the religion for themselves.
    I understand and respect that but the point of my book(s) is to break down the sterotypes, and show to the reader that whilst we may have diffrent ways of doing things amungst the religions/cultures I would like to accuretly fairly and loveingly protray them simply as people, people who each have their own unique set of skills (in some cases powers) but they still bleed red...

    Does that make sense to anyone else but me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blue Lotus View Post
    I understand and respect that but the point of my book(s) is to break down the sterotypes, and show to the reader that whilst we may have diffrent ways of doing things amungst the religions/cultures I would like to accuretly fairly and loveingly protray them simply as people, people who each have their own unique set of skills (in some cases powers) but they still bleed red...

    Does that make sense to anyone else but me?
    It makes sense and I wasn't trying to imply that it didn't. I was simply stating why you may have hit some roadblocks when it comes to asking a member of a coven what they do and how they do it. Wicca and Witchcraft has been growing since the mid-50's (I think) when Gerald Gardner came out of the proverbial broomcloset and asked Parliament to recognize Wicca as a legitimate and legal religion as well as giving them the right to congregate and form covens. However, not all of the Wiccan community agreed with his ideology and his increasingly overt attempts to get the attention of the media. Most of them felt that Gerald was threatening the traditional vows of secrecy and bringing about too much bad publicity.

    Nowadays are there a lot of books for the practicing Solitary Witch, but you won't find a lot on covens and how they work because every coven is different. Gardner did write a book The Meaning of Witchcraft (the Sequel to Witchcraft Today) which includes his early experiences with the New Forest Coven.
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