How long should your first book be?

I can't say how long your first book should be. My first was a 55,000 word YA but I followed it right away with a 206,000 word epic. I do think getting the shorter novel out of the way first taught me things and made the going much easier on the second. As far as world building goes, the YA was not fantasy but creating its setting (small coastal town) was just as much work as any fantasy world. I think any fiction writer needs to visualize the setting to some degree, whether it be street names and who owns the corner grocery, or where the dragons live.

 

The answer to all of those is, unfortunately, it depends.
If you want to publish with a traditional publisher, then it helps if your book is around the standard for your genre. For fantasy, somewhere around 90k words
For me, I believe that a story should be as long as it needs to be. Some ideas and stories are shorter or longer then others. And trying to force a long story in few words or the other way round will not work.
As for how to write it, that is different for everyone. If you can think of a way then some successful writer somewhere is probably using it. Some people stay with little more then an idea for a character or situation. Others have written out the plot completely. Some people write from start to finish, others write whichever order they feel like and they fit it together at the end. Do what works for you. If, as you say, you have trouble finishing, then try something else.
As a side note, many writers have trouble writing the middle part, finding it the boring part to write. You either need to increase the conflict or just work through it.

 

This is one of those "how long is a piece of string questions". For now, just worry about getting the story competed, then worry about whether it's too long or too short.

 

While I totally agree with this, the "need" can change. It is quite common for my stories to grow way beyond what I anticipated. But how much do you really need becomes the new question. My first accepted novel weighed in at 230k words at draft stage and the publisher said: I really like it and want to publish it...but I'm not publishing more than 160k. It's up to you to cut it down.

That was pretty tough but it taught me a lot about cutting out the fat and staying close to the spine of the story - which is where the reader always wants to be. We eventually compromised on 190k words but if I was writing the same story today I'd probably keep it to 160k fairly easily because I know what I'm doing so much more than I did back then.

 

Who knows? My first novel was a pile of paper notebooks that reached my knees. As Skip says, finishing is everything! Just do what it takes to finish.

 

if you're aiming at tradpub and you're writing high fantasy, you can go to 110k pretty safely.

my first novel was about 86k when it was typeset.

 

Just for perspective, Stephen King doesn't really plan out his novels. He gets an idea and starts writing and then sort of discovers the rest as he goes. And I think it's safe to say he's enjoyed a degree of success over the years. There's no right or wrong way. Maybe try different methods and see what fits your temperament and time restrictions and attention span.

 

Yeah, but ... the OP asked HOW to finish, without running out of steam. You guys are not really giving any actual advice, only telling him to "just finish".

 

What? Of course there's tricks. Lots! Your own suggestion, "Just finish", is a trick, of the type known as a Thought-terminating-cliché. The idea is that you use it as a roadblock to stop a specific category of unwanted thoughts.

You're fine with only relying on that single trick. That's cool, actually! If it works, it works. But most authors rely on a multitude of tricks. After all, the power of will is a myth; there's no will-power muscle found anywhere in the brain. "will-power" is merely an abstraction for the various tricks that we use.

The youtube clip HARSH WRITING ADVICE! (mostly for newer writers) digs into the specifics reasons people have to stop writing. By having the happy, masochistic mindset that your novel probably is going to suck, it likely won't be as much of an obstacle when you grow tired of it, and feel like OMG it's going to suck. Because, you knew that already, and have made peace with the idea. I think this is a more effective trick than "just finish" since it actually acknowledges the issue, instead of dodging it.

I think it was Stephen King who talked about sometimes taking a break from your story. I personally can sometimes see a story with more appetite if I allow myself to completely put it away for a time. I also remember some talk about some famous author dudes who did write a lot of novels, but didn't write them sequentially. Rather, they toggled between them.

That sounds a LOT like shorter stories are easier to finish, like the OP suggested. If you allow you story to grow into a Lords of the Rings thing, just more epic, then it will feel a bit hopeless to finish that first book, which really just functions as a prequel to real story in the second installment. I think there's a correlation between the epicness of your story and the chance of you giving up on it.

 

It's impossible for us as individuals to tell a complete stranger on the other end of a keyboard HOW to finish. The whole idea of "tricks" seems artificial to me - I doubt whether any great literature has been produced using tricks. And sometimes a story idea simply isn't worth finishing - if the OP is struggling to continue it's entirely possible the idea wasn't quite there. One idea is never enough to finish a novel, you need heaps of ideas and ideas that were good in the first place tend to inspire other good ideas.

All I can do is reiterate what I've said on similar threads. Plan each idea through to its logical plot conclusion and see where that takes you before wasting too much time trying to write your way through a brick wall.

 

Yeah, you're right. I made the mistake of only responding to what I disagreed with, without acknowledging any of the rest, which was pretty sound.
And it's not that I disagree even. It's a nice trick, or whatever we should call it. Only, OP asked for a cupcake recipe, and you all go "Just make cupcake"

You introducing the word "trick", so I ran with that, using it as a generic term. Sorry if this wasn't clear. We can use another term, if you like.

Loads of famous novels had this sort of mid-life crisis. In my experience, with any prolonged, lonesome creative project, there comes a time where you simply hate it. This is pretty well known. IMHO, it's a bit far-fetched to suggest from this very common obstacle that the story idea simply isn't worth finishing.

 

Far fetched? I'd be prepared to bet there are more non-finished books than finished across the history of literature (and attempted literature). And the reason? They ran out of interest or ran out of ideas...

I didn't say that was the OP's problem, I said it was possible.

 

It's hard to offer concrete advise without knowing more about the OP and his process. However, I'll give it a try by assuming he's a bit like me and describe what worked for me with my first longer piece of work. It's a 3 step process.

1. Make a public commitment that you're going to write a book, including a time limit. Note: not a novel, a book. The difference is that a novel is above 50k or 60k words, and not all ideas or stories are big enough to fill that. A book can be pretty much any size. So if you're at 30k words and you're done then that's a success. And, when you're starting out you will have little idea how long your idea will be. When you're not aiming for a novel, then that doesn't matter. By making a public commitment, you create external motivation to finish, as well as internal motivation. Which is a powerful thing (and one of the reasons NaNoWriMo works for a lot of people). I did this by telling my wife and people here I was doing this.

2. Take the idea (or preferably ideas) that feels biggest. One you're exited about and you think will be big enough to fill a whole book. Now, plan your book. Nothing too detailed, just write 1 or 2 sentences per chapter (or scene, whatever you want to call it) on what will happen. I found that I ran out of steam after writing the first couple of chapters I had in my head. I had no idea where to go next. Having an outline fixed that. I knew what went in to the next scene and could write that.

3. Put ass in chair and type. This is the only way you will get it done. The book is not going to write itself. It's a slog and it takes time. At 600 words per hour (which is about my speed), it takes me 100 hours to write a 60k first draft (and that's not counting time spend plotting, worldbuilding, thinking of character names and so on). If you don't want to spend 100 hours looking at a screen, typing away, then don't write a book.

While it's not a perfect method (and I certainly changed parts for book 2), I think this is a good starting point when trying to write your first book, especially if you find yourself always running out of steam after a couple of chapters.