So Jessquoi -
Will you be reading or watching? Or both?
Let us know either way.
This may seem like I've been living in the bottom of a well for ages, but I have not read any of the Song of Ice and Fire books and I have never watched the Game of Thrones show. I've noticed a lot of discussion on the internet about it since an episode called The Red Wedding came out. It seems the show and books are getting multitudes of praise, I mean HUGE praise. So naturally one would think Hey, maybe I should try this out.
However, after doing some more research, I've also noticed that there are a lot of complaints that the story is severely sexist, with excessive and unnecessary (to the plot) nudity, rape and violence. With a lot of these scenes supposedly, ahem, aiding to build strong female characters who despite all fight their way through this bleak story.
I'll just say right here that I'm a feminist so I'm not sure about investing time in it. Can anyone give me an idea, considering that I haven't read or watched any of it, what the big deal is? Not just in relation to sexism or not, but what is it that makes ASOIAF popular?
I think there is some nude men, of course I am a man and tend to treat naked men like being in a Gym dressing room, they are there but don't notice them that much. I would say it is rare.OK. Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I brought that up. I can't say much because I haven't actually seen it. But I've read that most nudity is of women. And so, some women and possibly men were offended. I'm not trying to say that you can't have nudity or violence in an adult story. It just becomes problematic when there's too much of it and it's not even relevant to the plot anymore.
I think this is a misconception about YA. I made a post about it (with a link to a Chuck Wendig blog post), here:
http://mythicscribes.com/forums/writing-questions/8742-ya-fiction.html
YA today isn't the YA of 20 years ago. Any emotional complexity suitable for adult novels is also suitable for YA. You should market as you see fit, of course, but given the popularity of YA I'd hate for you to pass it over simply because of a misunderstanding as to what is appropriate.
I might suggest if you like the first book, maybe rent the first dvd and see if you like what they did with the movie and also lets you decide if they go to far in the show.I think I'd prefer to go with the source and read it rather than watch it.
This may seem like I've been living in the bottom of a well for ages, but I have not read any of the Song of Ice and Fire books and I have never watched the Game of Thrones show. I've noticed a lot of discussion on the internet about it since an episode called The Red Wedding came out. It seems the show and books are getting multitudes of praise, I mean HUGE praise. So naturally one would think Hey, maybe I should try this out.
However, after doing some more research, I've also noticed that there are a lot of complaints that the story is severely sexist, with excessive and unnecessary (to the plot) nudity, rape and violence. With a lot of these scenes supposedly, ahem, aiding to build strong female characters who despite all fight their way through this bleak story.
I'll just say right here that I'm a feminist so I'm not sure about investing time in it. Can anyone give me an idea, considering that I haven't read or watched any of it, what the big deal is? Not just in relation to sexism or not, but what is it that makes ASOIAF popular?
I disagree. These stories are chock full of archetypes....what Martin does is something really different from the standard fantasy writers: it doesn't show a linear story, nor archetypes.
I disagree. These stories are chock full of archetypes.
I disagree. These stories are chock full of archetypes.
That's not the meaning of archetype.If we talk about "archetypes" meaning "predictable characters with common behaviours for the standards of fantasy", I'm sad but you're wrong.
Peter Dinklage isn't ugly enough to be exactly like Tyrion from the books,
I can't believe there would be anyone better to play Tyrion.LOL- that's what I've been telling everybody- Peter Dinklage is way too good-looking to be Tyrion. They should have uglified him up a bit with makeup.
Though he still has a certain facial feature in the show....His new scar works, and the Hounds scars always worked.
I also wondered what the rage was about and read the first book. Stopped right there, it just wasn't for me. I like all kinds of stories and if sex and violence are part of that for an understandable reason, I'm open to it. GOT was too brutal for me when it came to the child abuse. There were other things about the book that turned me off too, like rape and Martin's painstakingly slow pace. I don't own a tv so I've never watched the show and have no interest to. The story wasn't even "magical" to me, not at all what I think of with fantasy (except for at the very end). Its a story of war, drama, rape, child abuse, and some weird crap going down. I understand why the series is so popular: interesting characters, haunting setting, more weird crap going down, SEX. In the end, I was sorely disappointed in GOT.