Language creation

Discussion in 'Research' started by writeshiek33, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. writeshiek33

    writeshiek33 Mystagogue

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    Ok i creating s comic book series one of my 2 current wip. I managed to create alien names by putting Arabic and Chinese traditional words together. Now trying figure out synthetics for language like phrases and such. The alien society is very business snd money orientated. I am splitting the society into three sects. Business, religion( zen and strategy money preaching stuff) and the military. I want to create phrases for three sects or some sentence structures. Can anyone help or point me in right direction?


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  2. Malik

    Malik Scribal Lord

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    There is a list of conlang bloggers on the right side of this page. Scroll down past "Archives" until you get to "Contributors."

    The trick, though, is that conlangers are hardcore linguistics nerds and they assume that anyone who's interested in conlangs knows as much about it as they already do. You're jumping in the deep end. If you want to really build a working language, you're going to have to study linguistics. If you want to just cram some words together -- which is totally cool, too -- there are plenty of engines out there that make up fantasy words, even based on RL languages.

    I have a single blog post about my conlang here. Someday I'll likely do a whole website about it, or a blog post entirely in it.
     
  3. Yeah...as much as I would like to create a conlang, I haven't tried. The idea seems too daunting.
     
  4. TheCrystallineEntity

    TheCrystallineEntity Dark Lord

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    ^I've created my own language, and included it in the back of my first book. :D Although it's more of a way of singing than a language [magical music and all].
     
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  5. Banten

    Banten Dark Lord

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    For inspiration you could look at the differences between Ecclesiastical Latin, Classic Latin and Vulgar Latin. I'm not an expert on the subject, but you could borrow some aspects of these. For example someone who knows ecclesiastical latin would be able to understand someone who knows classic latin, but would pronounce letters differently and sometimes use different words. On the contrary the same person would have difficulty understanding vulgar latin.
     
  6. writeshiek33

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    Ayone know where i can get copy of he Lord of the Rings, Apendix F Part II from? i might as well take a look at that as well and see if i can glimmer at some level basics.
     
  7. Christopher Michael

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    In the back of the third book. Last I checked, they don't sell them separately. (Considering Tolkien's training and career was linguistics, that he loved language, and that Sindharin was where he started the LOTR stories....I'm not certain you can call them "level basics".)
     
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  8. ChasingSuns

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    I'm slowly working on a conlang. Emphasis on slowly. It's definitely quite the undertaking. I was once told to check out The Language Construction Kit by Mark Rosenfelder. I haven't gotten around to really diving into it yet but the excerpts I have read have been helpful so far. It might be looking into for what you're trying to figure out :)
     
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    Thanks


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  10. writeshiek33

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    Creating language is difficult especially when the two basics don't usually mix. I am using Arabic and traditional Chinese in english form.


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  11. A. E. Lowan

    A. E. Lowan Dark Lord

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    Just ran across this thread. Have you heard of a book called The Art of Language Invention by David J. Peterson? I'm reading it right now and it's very informative and helpful.
     
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    He also has a series on his YouTube channel by the same name.
     
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    That's rather over the top! Many language inventors are indeed linguistics nerds --- many of the ones I've met started out making languages and now are actual linguists. Most are not. And certainly they won't, as a group, assume that you know as much as they do!

    Making a language is indeed challenging, but no more challenging than any other aspect of writing. Whether you make your own or hire someone to make one for you, a good invented language (either a whole working language, or a sketch or just a list of words and names) will add considerable depth to a story setting where you've deemed a language is needed.

    But I also get that writers may not necessarily be all that interested in making a whole language. They want to write! This is where hiring one of those language invention nerds can come in handy! There are many conlangers who will be happy to work with writers to create as much or as little of an invented language as is needed.

    If you want to do it on your own, there are certainly many forums to find such help.

    If you'd rather have someone else do that work, I'd recommend getting in touch with the Language Creation Society. They have a lot of experience in pairing up artistic folks --- writers, playwrights, comic authors, movie studios, etc. --- with language invention folks.

    Don't be afraid to try your hand at it; but if it's not your cup of tea, don't hesitate to seek help from those with the expertise to do a good job of it for you!
     
  14. Lisselle

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    I spent 5 years of my early life in Papua New Guinea and could speak fluent Pidgin English, and my Dad was German, with a very active and large German social network, so I could (and still can) understand German, though I did not speak it well.

    When I was a teenager I taught myself Tolkien's Elvish, and created my own languages for the many books I was writing, and to write secrets in my Diaries.

    For my Trilogy I have created four languages. One is thorough, with at least 3000 unique words. The second has 1500 words, and there are two others with only as many words as needed within the books. I love creating languages; the phonetics and syntax of words, tying similar words with similar sounds, listening to the flow of each, and working out how environment and society will have allowed for the evolution of sounds in accordance with where the sounds are created in the throat/ with the tongue etc, and practicing how each language is spoken. I love creating the characters/ letters for my languages as well.

    Body language, eye movements, clicks and sounds not usual in our languages can also make up aspects of a Fantasy language.

    I work in a school, and sometimes speak to the student's in my main language, and some of the high school kids ask if there are swear words, and of course there are! They think I'm nerd, but when I swear it's usually in my Language. :D (Oh, and their writing advice? Kill the Main Characters!)

    I started by deciding how I wanted each language to sound; either strong, soft, guttural etc. For a soft language I wouldn't use too many heavy consonants, and for a heavy language, D's and G's, etc work well. I would write random paragraphs in my languages to fill the words out. Or poems, poems are good to write in new languages.

    It's a lot of fun once you have started. I have a 'Language notebook' which I carry with me, and whenever I feel like creating new words I jot them there. I look at any writing around me for inspiration, and alter it in accordance to the phonetics of the language I am working on.

    Open sourcing might be fun too.
     
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