Question about Goats and Religion.

[Naruzeldamaster]

So, my understanding of this tie of Goats to Christian religion.
There's a very particular Goat that is often the 'representation' of satan.
Usually a pitch black goat with red eyes and extremely long legs (and sometimes very obvious 'demon' horns in place of goat horns) I think?

In my mind, otherwise a goat is just a goat. I think is the difference?

The thing that prompted this question is I was watching a video where someone was analyzing the 'design influence' of a demon girl.
They brought up this inspiration, which could be the case? But said demon girl is from a fictional world and could literally be anything.

Also my parents might not agree with this (They're also Christian) but I'm in the camp that a fictional character might be inspired by something, but it doesn't make them that thing unless the context is there. Though it certainly doesn't help this anime girl's case that she's a 'demon' girl, we know next to nothing about her yet. The game she's featured in isn't even out yet.

 

[pmmg]

Yeah...if we come across a strange alien race and they look like goats, well that does not make them demons. But...if the author is calling them 'demon girl', I mean... its pretty clear what they wish me to bring into it.

Maybe they want to turn it on its head and say...no, but shes a good demon hellion who looks like Baphomet. Um....gold star for effort, but no.

Goats are goats if you just want to write them that way.


Oddly, all of my books feature a scene where something bad happens to goats. I wish I could say it was a theme or symbolic, but its not, and I can't find one so as to embellish it. They are just goats in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

Yeah...if we come across a strange alien race and they look like goats, well that does not make them demons. But...if the author is calling them 'demon girl', I mean... its pretty clear what they wish me to bring into it.

That's a fair point, interestingly the game is made by a Japanese company. Though they have made games about 'demons' in general. I think being inspired by a thing is fine, but like, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then maybe it is a duck. BUT I'm willing to see what the game lore has in store for this character before I judge.

Maybe they want to turn it on its head and say...no, but shes a good demon hellion who looks like Baphomet. Um....gold star for effort, but no.

Goats are goats if you just want to write them that way.

I mean they could also be a play on the 'fallen angel' where they're secretly a good person but they did something forbidden and were 'punished'
But yeah, a demon character is a demon. Though why a Japanese developer made a character inspired by a religion foreign to them is a curious choice.

That being said, I'm curious to know more of this character and how they fit into the world. A Demon's a Demon but we barely even know her name. lol

The other game made by these devs is about a demon (though not in the Christian sense, just a 'demon' period, that demon is a Succubus) too. So it tracks I guess?

Oddly, all of my books feature a scene where something bad happens to goats. I wish I could say it was a theme or symbolic, but its not, and I can't find one so as to embellish it. They are just goats in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If I ever have proper Demons in my stories I'm just going to write them as 'residents of the 'bad' place' sort and not spesifically Christian demons.
I tend to like that depiction of demons as it gives the author more freedom personality wise. I tend to write stories with mixes of a lot of different cultures so having the 'after life' be explicitly Christian feels weird narratively.

 

[Queshire]

What's the game?

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

What's the game?

Asking for a friend? XD
The Game name is Yun Yun something (I don't know the full name in English) There's two games by that dev and they both have that in the title.
It's a Game where your goal is to out drink an alcoholic demon girl who's obsessive about stuff.
A lot of people are excited about the 'waifu' aspect (I hate that term lol) of her but I'm more curious about the actual lore haha.
Asked my friend and the two english names that are circulating right now are.
Drunken Goddess Reflux / Pukey Goddess Shot Trick.
No OFFICIAL English name yet though. These are just translations.

 

[Queshire]

No...? You just never said what the name of the game was in your post and I can't really give input if I don't know the context.

Is this the game?

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

No...? You just never said what the name of the game was in your post and I can't really give input if I don't know the context.

Is this the game?

That's the game I thought it was called yeah.
It's a different game from that dev (They only have two I think)
Here's the trailer:

Spoiler: Pukey Goddess Shot Trick

 

[Mad Swede]

So, my understanding of this tie of Goats to Christian religion.
There's a very particular Goat that is often the 'representation' of satan.
Usually a pitch black goat with red eyes and extremely long legs (and sometimes very obvious 'demon' horns in place of goat horns) I think?

In my mind, otherwise a goat is just a goat. I think is the difference?

The thing that prompted this question is I was watching a video where someone was analyzing the 'design influence' of a demon girl.
They brought up this inspiration, which could be the case? But said demon girl is from a fictional world and could literally be anything.

Also my parents might not agree with this (They're also Christian) but I'm in the camp that a fictional character might be inspired by something, but it doesn't make them that thing unless the context is there. Though it certainly doesn't help this anime girl's case that she's a 'demon' girl, we know next to nothing about her yet. The game she's featured in isn't even out yet.

This is something which is incredibly specific to country and region so I wouldn't pay too much attention to what was said in that video.

 

[Queshire]

Oh! Was that Demondice doing the theme song? I love her work.

Looking at the video I think she's supposed to be Bacchus. At least that name flashes across the screen for a brief moment and it'd fit the whole drinking thing.

Still, eh, goat horns, goat ears, the color scheme, evidently having the player character stab their own hand. It's all very demon themed and there is that connection between the devil & goats as seen in baphomet. I'm sure they're drawing on that imagery.

It doesn't actually mean anything though. Remember, in Japan Christianity is just that cool foreign mythology just like Japanese mythology would be to us in the states.

I've got devils, demons and angels in my setting though they're in there more as a reference to how D&D has them and to play around with the tropes.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

Oh! Was that Demondice doing the theme song? I love her work.

Looking at the video I think she's supposed to be Bacchus. At least that name flashes across the screen for a brief moment and it'd fit the whole drinking thing.

Still, eh, goat horns, goat ears, the color scheme, evidently having the player character stab their own hand. It's all very demon themed and there is that connection between the devil & goats as seen in baphomet. I'm sure they're drawing on that imagery.

It doesn't actually mean anything though. Remember, in Japan Christianity is just that cool foreign mythology just like Japanese mythology would be to us in the states.

I think they're more just playing around with the imagery too. Though of course us Americans are going to go 'oooo look it's the thing, that thing, the thing we know' lol In any other instance (Like if it was made by American developers) I'd presume that it's referencing the thing directly. Japan references other mythologies and Religions a lot (Especially in anime) so this is nothing new. It was just interesting to see someone on there draw imagery from Christian religion specifically because of the uh.... 'stuff' way back when.

Either way I'm not 100% sure my parents would approve. Though I feel like God would know the devs were just playing with the imagery when designing the character/theme of the game.

I've got devils, demons and angels in my setting though they're in there more as a reference to how D&D has them and to play around with the tropes.

I handle my Demons/Angels the way Bayonetta does.
Moderately inspired by the Christian mythology, but there's other stuff thrown in too.
Depending on the culture inspiring the story I change it up. There's not really a 'hell/heaven' but a 'good/bad' place when you die. And entities live there from many cultures.

In my current story where that stuff is a thing (It's a fantasy setting) there's a 'good place' and a 'bad place' but it's not explicitly heaven/hell. (And the entities that live there come from many cultures, not just the one I believe in)The Words referring to them are spoken in a made up god language and they're not meant for living things to understand.