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Scrivener and Revision

skip.knox

toujours gai, archie
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I've been using Scrivener for a few years now. I keep finding new approaches. This one looks to be prove useful. It takes advantage of Notes and Synopsis, along with Compile. The useful part comes during the heavy lifting that comes during second and third drafts, where I do a lot of rewriting and can easily get lost in the Weeds of Revision.

First, I use Scrivener to work in scenes. Any one chapter might hold one to several files. These might be separate but related scenes, but they are also sometimes a second or third take on the same scene, fragments that I think belong here, and so on. It's rather a mess. Eventually, all those files get edited into a single file that is one chapter. Each file can have a Synopsis and Notes attached to it. By using Compile, I can print or view only the Notes for the novel, letting me focus on the editing side.

The Synopsis can hold anything. I use it to hold the day (and time, if appropriate) of the action for that scene. This helps me keep chronology straight. In addition I can put in character names for the scene, I also put in a one-line summary of what happens. Just the key. Details go into Notes.

Notes hold my editing notes and can be as long or short as needed. Notes also allow formatting, so I can italicize or whatever, to help me in review. I am finding this to be more useful than Comments, which get tied to specific passage. There's a place for that as well, but what each scene really needs is me talking to myself about what work this particular scene still needs. Comments are best for sentence-level stuff; Notes work best for file (scene)-level stuff.

Over in Compile, I can create an output specifically designed to print just the Synopsis and Notes, along with the file name, word count, and whatever other metadata I find useful. I'm still fiddling with that. For perspective, I just printed the Editing Notes for my current novel. The novel itself stands at about 98k right now, so printing the novel itself would run to hundreds of pages. The Editing Notes come to 42 pages. With that in hand, I can go back to the novel and start doing the hard work. BTW, the output goes to an RTF file which I then print from LibreOffice; I could just as well leave it as RTF and consult it on screen.

Maybe someone else will find this inspirational if not directly useful. It's a good example, I think, where specific writing software provides tools a regular word processor does not.
 

pmmg

Myth Weaver
While I dont write in Scrivener, I do use it quite a bit. I do put all my notes in it, and a copy of the work on a scene by scene basis, which does help me look at and visualize the tale as whole. And I have used a number of its tools to some effect, like producing an outline, or labelling scenes and showing all of those pertaining to just one character.

I did try to use it once to compile things but it did not stick with me. When formatting, I ended up just doing it in word.

For me, personally, and I do like having Scrivener, I find some of the old habits are hard to break, even if there is a better tool out there. I still use word, notepad, and excel quite a bit. I am a pro at those products though. Its easy for me to work in them.
 
Skip.Knox thanks for the share & details. I've been thinking about Scrivener. I'm so outdated & old fashioned with technology, I really need to get better. I can't decide if it's something I would really use or not. I'd hate to even download the free version to try it out because I have low computer space anyhow but it might be worth it.
I agree with Pmmg. I am using Word & Excel. I have Excel for different categories of notes compiled for quick references. I use Word to write my book series. I also use Word to put notes in broke down by each tribe I have in my world as well as any helpful notes I have made from resources. I'm then printing everything out and putting into a big binder and having things separated by each tribe in there as well as maps and other details about my world. I really love the World Anvil and what they are doing but I don't have the extra money to dedicate to a membership to post all my things in there and be copyright protected, so I'm trying to create my own system.
 

pmmg

Myth Weaver
Pc space is usually something you can wrestle with a bit.

Get the free tool ccleeaner, and run it, and see if it can clean up a bit. Remove it after use.

treesizefree is a tool I use all the time to clean things up. it just shows where all largest files are hiding and you can decide what to keep. (Some you may want to research). This tool has such a small foot print, I can usually install it on drive that are already complaining about space.

And last, upgrading just a hard drive to a bigger one is a fairly common and easy task. Any tech savvy friend might know how to do this.


My answer on scrivener remains the same as above. I have it, but mostly I use it for not keeping, and not drafting. I use a lot of word, excel and notepad to this day. It just remains what I am comfortable with. But...I am worried a little about moving to windows 11, as MS will want me to subscribe to stuff. I like owning and not subscribing...but I have not looked into it much.
 

skip.knox

toujours gai, archie
Moderator
Is there some reason you are unhappy with using Word and Excel? I used to use both. There came a time, though, when I felt it just was not working for me. I gave other programs a try, including yWriter which came close. Once I used Scrivener, even though there was much to learn (including what parts of the program weren't for me), I felt comfortable there. So I stopped shopping.

I think of it like buying a car. You can compare specs and even test drive, but eventually you just make a choice and live with it. But if you're happy with the car you're driving, why go shopping? Just because others tell you how cool their car is, right? Yep. Been there. Happens to me with computers. Used to happen with phones, though less so now.

If you are content with the toolset you have, I say stick with it and don't bother looking around until you find you're unhappy with the tools.
 

Mad Swede

Auror
Pc space is usually something you can wrestle with a bit.

Get the free tool ccleeaner, and run it, and see if it can clean up a bit. Remove it after use.

treesizefree is a tool I use all the time to clean things up. it just shows where all largest files are hiding and you can decide what to keep. (Some you may want to research). This tool has such a small foot print, I can usually install it on drive that are already complaining about space.

And last, upgrading just a hard drive to a bigger one is a fairly common and easy task. Any tech savvy friend might know how to do this.


My answer on scrivener remains the same as above. I have it, but mostly I use it for not keeping, and not drafting. I use a lot of word, excel and notepad to this day. It just remains what I am comfortable with. But...I am worried a little about moving to windows 11, as MS will want me to subscribe to stuff. I like owning and not subscribing...but I have not looked into it much.
You do not need to start subscribing to Office 365 if you upgrade to Windows 11. You can still buy the standalone version of Office and you can even run the version/copy you already have, although Microsoft would rather you didn't. Alternatively consider Open Office, which is very good.
 

skip.knox

toujours gai, archie
Moderator
Here's another vote for LibreOffice. Been using one form or another since the '90s.
 
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