Writing characters that are awkward about sex (or romance in general)

[Naruzeldamaster]

A fanfic? I think there's entire sites out there just for this one pairing. And "pairing" may be a bit of a tame description. lol

I love fanfic. I don't read much or write any at this point in my development, but I love how it's a gateway drug to writing. Like, "Hey, kid, heard you liked Harry Potter, but something was missing? Let me show you a thing you're gonna love..."

Fanfiction might be a 'gateway drug' to writing, but depending on your reason for writing the fanfiction. Fanfics can be just as legitimate as normal writing.
I'm currently chipping away at two fanfictions right now, and neither of them are explicitly being made for 'that' kind of content. I could if I wanted to but like, really, neither of the fandoms I'm writing for would really fit it. (Especially because a lot of the characters are teens-young adults in one and the other one is a Nintendo property)

There are a couple of 'jokes' and gag moments in both stories, but none of the stuff certain circles of any fandom write fanfic for is in there. And if it is, I'm planning on fading to black lol

One of the jokes in the RWBY fic is that one of my characters finds out just how hard it is to plant a kiss on an invisible woman (she's not always invisible) one who also likes to tease...

 

[Josh2Write]

A fanfic? I think there's entire sites out there just for this one pairing. And "pairing" may be a bit of a tame description. lol

I love fanfic. I don't read much or write any at this point in my development, but I love how it's a gateway drug to writing. Like, "Hey, kid, heard you liked Harry Potter, but something was missing? Let me show you a thing you're gonna love..."

Bringing children into a discussion about lust and sex in books? This just proves my point: lust is bad, wrong, the worst part of humanity. If I had written this I'd be getting another Mod time out. Can someone other than a Mod please explain this one-sided system to me?

Cuz Lowen also called one of my previous posts bullshit. Language seems a bit...hostile, eh skip? Language and attitude that I was just warned to avoid, as if I'm the only one on here with a problem. See if I had said that to anyone I'd already be in the hot seat. Can someone explain why I'm the odd one out?

And as I just recently explained to old skip in a private conference room, this one-sided system is why I haven't posted any of my own work. You can't resist poking at basic comments, why would I trust you with anything of value?

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

Bringing children into a discussion about lust and sex in books? This just proves my point: lust is bad, wrong, the worst part of humanity. If I had written this I'd be getting another Mod time out. Can someone other than a Mod please explain this one-sided system to me?

Cuz Lowen also called one of my previous posts bullshit. Language seems a bit...hostile, eh skip? Language and attitude that I was just warned to avoid, as if I'm the only one on here with a problem. See if I had said that to anyone I'd already be in the hot seat. Can someone explain why I'm the odd one out?

And as I just recently explained to old skip in a private conference room, this one-sided system is why I haven't posted any of my own work. You can't resist poking at basic comments, why would I trust you with anything of value?

For one thing you're overanalyzing, by 'kid' we don't mean literal kids, but probably tweens and young adults who are freshly discovering these desires, and two you're being hostile regardless of what language you're using.

You're basically doing what's commonly called 'stirring the pot' and that kind of commentary doesn't lead to healthy discussion regardless of the topic.

 

[Josh2Write]

For one thing you're overanalyzing, by 'kid' we don't mean literal kids, but probably tweens and young adults who are freshly discovering these desires, and two you're being hostile regardless of what language you're using.

You're basically doing what's commonly called 'stirring the pot' and that kind of commentary doesn't lead to healthy discussion regardless of the topic.

It meant literally kids, since it both "psst, come look at this" and referenced to Harry Potter as the content perverted. I stand correct.

So no matter what I say, or how I say it, I'm just hostile? That's not how life works.

And as the truth stands, even in posts where I get heated, I'm not the only one "stirring", just the only one being called out for it.

 

[TheCrystallineEntity]

I'll chime in to finally share my two cents.
In my invented universe, all of my species and characters are asexual by default, because they don't have or need genitals. Both their biologies and ways of reproducing are so different from humans and other animals, and this wasn't so much a deliberate decision on my part as a sort of logical process. It made sense to me, that beings that exist in a fantastical universe could be unlike life on Earth in many ways. This doesn't make them "better" or "superior" to characters who do have genitals and do have sex--just different. They have a myriad of unique identity expressions, from agender to gay to panromantic to aromantic to multiple sets of polycules, and much more in-between, with equally different kinds of families.
Most importantly, they're never judged for what they are or who they love. Displaying a world that feels safe in as many possible definitions of the word is crucial, I think.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

It meant literally kids, since it both "psst, come look at this" and referenced to Harry Potter as the content perverted. I stand correct.

So no matter what I say, or how I say it, I'm just hostile? That's not how life works.

And as the truth stands, even in posts where I get heated, I'm not the only one "stirring", just the only one being called out for it.

Bringing up previous discussions that have no relevance to this one just to spite people (and moderators no less) is pretty hostile to me.
Read my previous comment about fanfiction being a 'gateway drug to writing' and how it can be 'just that' without any need for the things you're getting pissy about. Where in my post did I target 'kids' and where did I imply fanfiction had to have content you're complaining about.

Fanfiction can indeed be a good way to practice writing, it's what I did for most of my years in high school. I guarantee you none of my fics contained smut or anything else, even my current fanfictions don't. The few scenes that do contain that are very vaguely detailed for like one paragraph before a clean fade to black transition to the next day. These days I write for older audiences (Teen and older) who are more than able to read that kind of content.

 

[Josh2Write]

Bringing up previous discussions that have no relevance to this one just to spite people (and moderators no less) is pretty hostile to me.
Read my previous comment about fanfiction being a 'gateway drug to writing' and how it can be 'just that' without any need for the things you're getting pissy about. Where in my post did I target 'kids' and where did I imply fanfiction had to have content you're complaining about.

Fanfiction can indeed be a good way to practice writing, it's what I did for most of my years in high school. I guarantee you none of my fics contained smut or anything else, even my current fanfictions don't. The few scenes that do contain that are very vaguely detailed for like one paragraph before a clean fade to black transition to the next day. These days I write for older audiences (Teen and older) who are more than able to read that kind of content.

My op is anti-lust opposed to love, desire, etc, to which Lowen latest post said about showing kids erotic Potter fanfic. That is why I am upset. And rightfully so. I don't know where you said anything about showing kids anything.

Mods are not gods, no matter what anyone says or thinks.

This whole thing is about my opposition to lust as a moral human reason for love and sex in writing. I said multiple time lust is immoral, the reasons we suffer in love. It devolved into her justifications for lust, many agreeing, and now mentioning children. I am both offended that this has now included children, to which I know I will still be seen as the hostile party, and me stand against it ever more justified in my reasons for my hate of lust.

And I have never said anything about being anti-fanfiction, nor did I say you specifically wrote anything offensive through fanfiction.
See, no matter what I write I am immediately seen as the problem, the only stirrer of pots.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

My op is anti-lust opposed to love, desire, etc, to which Lowen latest post said about showing kids erotic Potter fanfic. That is why I am upset. And rightfully so. I don't know where you said anything about showing kids anything.

This whole thing is about my opposition to lust as a moral human reason for love and sex in writing. I said multiple time lust is immoral, the reasons we suffer in love. It devolved into her justifications for lust, many agreeing, and now mentioning children. I am both offended that this has now included children, to which I know I will still be seen as the hostile party, and me stand against it ever more justified in my reasons for my hate of lust.

And I have never said anything about being anti-fanfiction, nor did I say you specifically wrote anything offensive through fanfiction.
See, no matter what I write I am immediately seen as the problem.

Brother, your beef with this has nothing to do with the discussion, and you are derailing the topic to push your personal vendetta against it. Which, again, qualifies as stirring the pot rather than contributing to the discussion in a healthy way.

Have you been reading the discussion? The Majority of the topic is about writing characters who are super awkward about sex and romance. Something most teens/young adults would likely relate to, since they themselves are probably feeling the same if they're the right age to read the stories in question.

 

[Josh2Write]

Brother, your beef with this has nothing to do with the discussion, and you are derailing the topic to push your personal vendetta against it. Which, again, qualifies as stirring the pot rather than contributing to the discussion in a healthy way.

Have you been reading the discussion? The Majority of the topic is about writing characters who are super awkward about sex and romance. Something most teens/young adults would likely relate to, since they themselves are probably feeling the same if they're the right age to read the stories in question.

I saw the original post and added my own thoughts. And as it progressed I mementioned how love and lust are two opposing forces, lust being evil. It has spiraled into what you see now.

Doesn't mean I stirred anything. And she brought children into it, not me.

 

[Sheilawisz]

Well, I had indeed hoped that the thread would not get derailed again.

Hi Josh2Write - First, I would like to say that Lowan was talking about how writing fanfiction is how many of us developed our first ideas and wrote our first stories. There are certainly a lot of inappropriate HP fanfics out there, but that’s not what this thread is about.

In second place, you are clearly derailing the thread and stirring the waters with your very personal views on the matter. This does count as Argumentative and Hostile behavior, which goes against the Mythic Scribes forum rules.

Please find a healthier way to express your thoughts. In case that you cannot, just leaving the thread is a very good idea.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

I saw the original post and added my own thoughts. And as it progressed I mementioned how love and lust are two opposing forces, lust being evil. It has spiraled into what you see now.

Doesn't mean I stirred anything. And she brought children into it, not me.

If you don't like what you're reading, just take a chill pill and leave the thread. There's a funny little button you can use called 'unwatch' thread. I suggest you use it. You literally are derailing mate.

I agree with the moderator that there's plenty of shitty fanfiction out there, but if you sift through the trash there's some genuine good stuff out there too.
That being said, there is a LOT of 'trash' which me and the other person were joking about. And it annoys me too, but I don't derail threads to spew my personal vendetta against it.

 

[Josh2Write]

Well, I had indeed hoped that the thread would not get derailed again.

Hi Josh2Write - First, I would like to say that Lowan was talking about how writing fanfiction is how many of us developed our first ideas and wrote our first stories. There are certainly a lot of inappropriate HP fanfics out there, but that’s not what this thread is about.

In second place, you are clearly derailing the thread and stirring the waters with your very personal views on the matter. This does count as Argumentative and Hostile behavior, which goes against the Mythic Scribes forum rules.

Please find a healthier way to express your thoughts. In case that you cannot, just leaving the thread is a very good idea.

No, I said I was opposed to lust, to which others added. I didn't agree so I did leave the thread, to which lowen eventually added shipping two characters in an erotic Potter fanfic and then showing it to a CHILD and it popped up in both my notices and my email. I have every right to be angry. Especially since it devolved from me saying lust leads to this crap, while others disagreed.

 

[Josh2Write]

If you don't like what you're reading, just take a chill pill and leave the thread. There's a funny little button you can use called 'unwatch' thread. I suggest you use it. You literally are derailing mate.

I agree with the moderator that there's plenty of shitty fanfiction out there, but if you sift through the trash there's some genuine good stuff out there too.
That being said, there is a LOT of 'trash' which me and the other person were joking about. And it annoys me too, but I don't derail threads to spew my personal vendetta against it.

I did originally leave the thread because no one wanted to hear my side of lust vs love, until it told me in my notices and my email she mentioned a CHILD.

So I should just stay silent while jokes of showing kids porn is being created out of something I asked addressed to stop crap like this from happening? No, I will not stay silent on that. That is trash that must be addressed.

And I have never once said anything about anti-fanfiction. I don't know where all of you are getting that from. Putting words in my mouth then saying I'm the one "derailing".

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

I did originally leave the thread because no one wanted to hear my side of lust vs love, until it told me in my notices and my email she mentioned a CHILD.

So I should just stay silent while jokes of showing kids porn is being created out of something I asked addressed to stop crap like this from happening? No, I will not stay silent on that. That is trash that must be addressed.

And I have never once said anything about anti-fanfiction. I don't know where all of you are getting that from. Putting words in my mouth then saying I'm the one "derailing".

Leave. The. Thread. Now.
You are getting this enraged over a comment (which was sarcasm by the way, the only one taking the comment this seriously is you) that you are no longer focused on. I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're spewing the same vendetta as you did before. A proper discussion involves both parties seeing eye to eye. You're saying that your opinion is the only one allowed to be right, again, over a sarcastic jab at the trash you're so against existing.

 

[Sheilawisz]

Alright that was the end of our patience.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

Getting Back on The topic of fanfiction.
Personally:
I understand why people write the 'trash' stuff, but it's not my thing and I wouldn't condone it. But it's not my place to judge people writing what they love. It just also happens to be fanfiction, which makes it double gross in some cases. Case in point, something like Teen titans (unless they're aged up or something, even then, still weird)

I also believe there's tons of GOOD fanfiction out there, written by people with more 'normal' interests. Also 'normal' Ship Fics exist a plenty and a good number of them don't have that kind of content, despite being a ship fic. The amount of content available for Fanfiction as a whole is insane. Don't get me started on the always unhinged 'ultimate' fanfic which attempts to cross over as many series as possible. (which shamefully I attempted to do in high school)

 

[SamazonE]

There are some curious incest stories that deal with a lot of wordplay. I do not know if you call it lust, or desire, but they are different stories. They need more careful wording to back it up. There are books dedicated to dealing with it, besides being non-fiction self-help books.

I am sure if you take a close look at anything you find a small amount of sex. Origin stories have sex as being wrong, there are taboos placed on it wherever you look. I am not sure it is mod conduct to use kids to advance any agenda. I think it is wrong, therefore should be handled with kid gloves.

If you are looking for upside-down ideas, then cultural studies can put you in an advantageous scenario for any work condition. The salesman rules the world, and the ideasman is the fool. Do not read anything you have not invested in, do not condone things you consider frivolous. If you think sex has its place as a right, you may in fact be wrong about anything, that is mod.

 

[Naruzeldamaster]

There are some curious incest stories that deal with a lot of wordplay. I do not know if you call it lust, or desire, but they are different stories. They need more careful wording to back it up. There are books dedicated to dealing with it, besides being non-fiction self-help books.

I am sure if you take a close look at anything you find a small amount of sex. Origin stories have sex as being wrong, there are taboos placed on it wherever you look. I am not sure it is mod conduct to use kids to advance any agenda. I think it is wrong, therefore should be handled with kid gloves.

If you are looking for upside-down ideas, then cultural studies can put you in an advantageous scenario for any work condition. The salesman rules the world, and the ideasman is the fool. Do not read anything you have not invested in, do not condone things you consider frivolous. If you think sex has its place as a right, you may in fact be wrong about anything, that is mod.

This is partially why I don't judge folks for what they write (and in the case of fanart, draw) it's not my job to condemn them if they aren't meeting my preferences, I simply won't read it. You can also find ways to include it while censoring that the thing is happening. For example in pokemon we have pokemon 'breeding' yep, it's just straight up called that. But in game they never talk about what the pokemon are 'doing' it's always depicted as the egg 'mysteriously appearing' lol

In regards to my own stories, BOTH characters are around the age where they start discovering these things. Another character is at least 200 years old, but mentally, physically and emotionally he's the same age he was when he was locked away. So he's still going to be emotionally confused about the act. Writing him is going to be fun for these moments because he has a lot of...questions, and the girl he does things with is more than happy to answer him. It's covered in narration, with no detail about the act itself (other than directly confirming that 'yeah, it is what you think' ) and a fade to black after.