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saellys
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Zero Angel
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It only took 71 pages!
But look at her face? That girl-child cannot possibly be be an Amazon queen!
Kit
Maester
She looks just like Kourtney Kardashian.
The costume, though, I'm reasonably happy with. It's really nice that her boobs aren't exposed. The only thing I can really pick at is my perpetual complaint that long loose hair is impractical for any type of physical fighting.
The costume, though, I'm reasonably happy with. It's really nice that her boobs aren't exposed. The only thing I can really pick at is my perpetual complaint that long loose hair is impractical for any type of physical fighting.
Mindfire
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You're entirely missing the point. Namely, the costume.
Well, long hair is kind of a Wonder Woman trademark, so I don't think it's one of those things you can change. And didn't Vikings fight with long hair? Besides, this is Wonder Woman we're talking about. Go on and grab her hair. I dare you.
I mean, Batman can fight off like 30 guys at once while wearing a long, heavy cape. By comparison is it really so implausible that Wonder Woman can fight with long hair?EDIT: This looks like a reasonable compromise on the hair issue:
No idea what comic this is from. It's a nice look. Not a fan of the huge arm gauntlet thing though. A combination of the costume I posted before with a few elements from this one would probably please just about everyone.
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Ophiucha
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Having a sleeve or gauntlet on only one armour seems to be a thing recently. I blame anime.
Mindfire
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That thing makes it look like it'd be impossible to bend your elbow.
I liked Wonder Woman well enough when I watched the animated series recently, but I don't really think a Wonder Woman film is going to solve the female superhero shortage. Mostly, too much of her character is about sexism/feminism. It's trying just a little too hard to make the point, and I think you could make more of an impression by not playing up those issues.
If they made Wonder Woman, and it did really well, film execs would probably dismiss that success as something they can't replicate in other characters. And they wouldn't be wrong, in that there's only so many feminist superhero movies the market can take. On the other hand, a movie about a superhero who happens to be a woman, if done well, could very easily kick start a trend.
. . . . come to think of it, I'd be surprised if Pepper Potts from Iron Man 3 doesn't jump start a trend in female superhero movies. Somebody at Marvel has to be taking another look at their future script choices just based on those scenes.
If they made Wonder Woman, and it did really well, film execs would probably dismiss that success as something they can't replicate in other characters. And they wouldn't be wrong, in that there's only so many feminist superhero movies the market can take. On the other hand, a movie about a superhero who happens to be a woman, if done well, could very easily kick start a trend.
. . . . come to think of it, I'd be surprised if Pepper Potts from Iron Man 3 doesn't jump start a trend in female superhero movies. Somebody at Marvel has to be taking another look at their future script choices just based on those scenes.
saellys
Inkling
I keep hearing that Pepper came into her own in IM3, to which I reply, "About stinking time!" I'll have to get around to watching that one of these days.
I think her screen time in IM3 may actually be less than in the other two, but it treats her pretty well.
Pepper does get a little less screen time, and she does need a little rescuing, but when she is unleashed (and I intentionally use that word) watch out! IM3 is the best of them, IMO.
Mindfire
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Actually, the general consensus I've heard is that the first Iron Man is still the best. Especially considering how badly they butchered the Mandarin...
As for Pepper, there's this joke going around that all the Iron Man films are going to be about her from now on, which is... idk. Whenever you have a secondary character upstage a main character, you have to be careful about not jumping the shark.
Zero Angel
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I can't wait to see Iron Man 3 (unfortunately, the ACA decimated all luxury expenditures for me), but the only thing I've heard about Pepper is that she gets her own suit.
In the comic lore doesn't she end up with Jon Favreau's character?
They didn't use the Mandarin. They used Mallen, under a different name, and they were really pretty close with him.
Honestly, magic rings would've been a tough sell in the MCU.
Ophiucha
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Yeah, Pepper isn't usually Tony's love interest in the comics, but Hollywood has to change something. I much prefer the Mandarin as he is in Iron Man 3... like, his character is just ridiculously over powered and is a Chinese character conceived of in the 60s, with all that entails. Probably for the best that they ditched a lot of his canon lore for the film.
I'd love to see more of Pepper in the later films, but I don't think she'll ever be more prominent than she was in this one, and at most, she'd probably just get her own suit for the climactic battle of the next film. Similar to Rhodey, really. And I don't know if I necessarily want her replacing Rhodey, which would be my concern if she did get her own suit. This film worked really well at keeping a power balance between the three, but while it may not necessarily be the topic of this thread, I'd be a bit uncomfortable with a black man getting pushed to the side of the plot for the sake of a new, white sidekick - even if she's a female one. I could see, though, Pepper playing a bigger role in later Marvel films in general, though. Particularly if RDJ starts easing his way out of the series, which I think is bound to happen sooner rather than later.
I'd love to see more of Pepper in the later films, but I don't think she'll ever be more prominent than she was in this one, and at most, she'd probably just get her own suit for the climactic battle of the next film. Similar to Rhodey, really. And I don't know if I necessarily want her replacing Rhodey, which would be my concern if she did get her own suit. This film worked really well at keeping a power balance between the three, but while it may not necessarily be the topic of this thread, I'd be a bit uncomfortable with a black man getting pushed to the side of the plot for the sake of a new, white sidekick - even if she's a female one. I could see, though, Pepper playing a bigger role in later Marvel films in general, though. Particularly if RDJ starts easing his way out of the series, which I think is bound to happen sooner rather than later.
Mindfire
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They might have been able to make the rings work. But the gimmicky rings aren't what I wanted from the character. I wanted a criminal genius, a terrorist mastermind, a Moriarty type character with some dramatic flair and a thing for collecting Asian iconography. Someone who didn't have to physically fight Tony Stark in order to wreck his life and tear him apart. In short, I wanted everything they made the Mandarin out to be to actually be true. I was bitterly disappointed.
Yeah, but they really had to avoid the Yellow Terror crap that spawned the original Mandarin. I loved what they did with him.
And anyone notice that this is now the Ironman thread? lol
Mindfire
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IMO, that small benefit to their "reinterpretation" was not at all worth creating an ultimately crap villain. They could have avoided racist implications and still made him a worthwhile villain. Heck, even if they made the character Asian, it wouldn't have necessarily a bad thing. Minority villain automatically = racist? I don't think so. And in the end, the Shayamalan-esque twist they ended up using, it sucks.
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