Game Dev Team & Decisions

[Xanados]

Why are you so persistent in dismissing other people's arguments as assumptions? Can you not see how it displays your inability to handle criticism? Honestly, just read back on some of your posts. It just sounds like you're trying to cool, detached, and opinionated... but you come of as arrogant and pretentious.

Don't take that as an insult, because I'm sure it's just some automatic defence mechanism that's kicking in, but I think you need to stop trying so hard and just stop acting up. This is why people have called you childish, because you seem to be acting up like a child.

And I'll admit it now, this discussion is descending into drivel. I think your passive-aggressive remarks are to blame, but it doesn't really matter. If it gets out of hand, then I guess it ought to be locked.

Assumptions.

 

[Johnny Cosmo]

Ha. I assume​ that was a joke...

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

1: There was only one English speaker in the team, which I found out a few days after talking to the guy. The other 2 were Japanese and could barley speak a word of English. I did not once say I wanted to be a lead writer.
2: The writing required that the writer be witty. I am not.
3: I have no idea why I presented this to you people. I realise now that I essentially posted something that, either way, would've been negative toward me.

Just to clarify, my post was never intended as an attack in case you took it to be.

You never directly said you wanted to be lead writer, but if you "can't work with a story that someone else has already written"--those are your words, in-context--you're essentially saying you'd accept no less than Lead Writer - Content. (I applied for that position at Tilted Mill in 2004. The fools gave the job to a published author without having even interviewed ME!)

Also, my comments were really showing how you came off to the dev team. To me, you came off as someone who was not interested and decided to bow out. Nothing wrong with that, except you could have bowed out quietly.

Finally, don't take offense at the age comment. I know us older guys are annoying, but some us who talk have been through what you're going through and much, much more. I've been around plenty of game industry guys, from unknown wannabes to the extremely successful, including my entertainment lawyer who represented Dave Perry (Earthworm Jim), Kevin Eastman (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), Pink Floyd, Ken Levine (Freedom Force, Tribes, BioShock), The Behemoth (Alien Hominid, Castle Crashers), etc. I also went through a humiliating interview--more like an ambush!--at UbiSoft in 1999. It was two guys giving me a rehearsed speech about how I can't make a video game by myself. I was almost in tears, and wondered why they even asked me to come to New York (at my own expense) if they had already dismissed me as a wannabe before I walked in the door. When I met my entertainment lawyer six months later and told him how I got gang-banged, he shrugged and said, "That's the business. Develop a thick skin or you're done."

I think that advice applies to us writers as well.

 

[Xanados]

Just to clarify, my post was never intended as an attack in case you took it to be.

You never directly said you wanted to be lead writer, but if you "can't work with a story that someone else has already written"--those are your words, in-context--you're essentially saying you'd accept no less than Lead Writer - Content. (I applied for that position at Tilted Mill in 2004. The fools gave the job to a published author without having even interviewed ME!)

Also, my comments were really showing how you came off to the dev team. To me, you came off as someone who was not interested and decided to bow out. Nothing wrong with that, except you could have bowed out quietly.

Finally, don't take offense at the age comment. I know us older guys are annoying, but some us who talk have been through what you're going through and much, much more. I've been around plenty of game industry guys, from unknown wannabes to the extremely successful, including my entertainment lawyer who represented Dave Perry (Earthworm Jim), Kevin Eastman (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), Pink Floyd, Ken Levine (Freedom Force, Tribes, BioShock), The Behemoth (Alien Hominid, Castle Crashers), etc. I also went through a humiliating interview--more like an ambush!--at UbiSoft in 1999. It was two guys giving me a rehearsed speech about how I can't make a video game by myself. I was almost in tears, and wondered why they even asked me to come to New York (at my own expense) if they had already dismissed me as a wannabe before I walked in the door. When I met my entertainment lawyer six months later and told him how I got gang-banged, he shrugged and said, "That's the business. Develop a thick skin or you're done."

I think that advice applies to us writers as well.

You talk to me as if I don't know this. And rightfully so. I haven't told anyone. My entire life I worked towards being a 3D Artist. I was using 3DStudio Max, Normal-Mapping, Specular Mapping, Sub-Division modelling at the age of 13. I know all these things about which you are trying to wisely inform me. I have been on actual game design forums since that age aswell. The notoriously harsh Polycount community, for example.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

You talk to me as if I don't know this. And rightfully so. I haven't told anyone. My entire life I worked towards being a 3D Artist. I was using 3DStudio Max, Normal-Mapping, Specular Mapping, Sub-Division modelling at the age of 13. I know all these things about which you are trying to wisely inform me. I have been on actual game design forums since that age aswell. The notoriously harsh Polycount community, for example.

Cool!

Then forgive me for adding one final piece of advice, and the reason why I'm doing so.

If 3D Artist is your dream, focus on that. Not 3D Artist plus several back-up plans.

Why I say so, I've been told my writing "is marketable" since over twenty years ago. Yet I spent several years (and several thousand dollars) chasing a video game dream without having learned the necessary skills. It finally hit me in 2007 that writing is something I've always been passionate about and good at; therefore, I shouldn't care whether I'm writing for a video game, tabletop RPG, comic, book, magazine or what. I should just shut up and write until I'm good enough to make money doing it.

 

[Xanados]

Cool!

Then forgive me for adding one final piece of advice, and the reason why I'm doing so.

If 3D Artist is your dream, focus on that. Not 3D Artist plus several back-up plans.

Why I say so, I've been told my writing "is marketable" since over twenty years ago. Yet I spent several years (and several thousand dollars) chasing a video game dream without having learned the necessary skills. It finally hit me in 2007 that writing is something I've always been passionate about and good at; therefore, I shouldn't care whether I'm writing for a video game, tabletop RPG, comic, book, magazine or what. I should just shut up and write until I'm good enough to make money doing it.

No, it once was my dream. It once was. I have delved into many aspects of game development. From wanting to program, to learning quite a lot about animation. I used to do stop-motion clay films when I was about 8 years old. I was into cameras and film before I finally landed on writing. I was writing before 3D Art.

You have a point.

 

[Johnny Cosmo]

You talk to me as if I don't know this. And rightfully so. I haven't told anyone. My entire life I worked towards being a 3D Artist. I was using 3DStudio Max, Normal-Mapping, Specular Mapping, Sub-Division modelling at the age of 13. I know all these things about which you are trying to wisely inform me. I have been on actual game design forums since that age aswell. The notoriously harsh Polycount community, for example.

Using software, posting on forums, and delving into aspects of game design are not qualifications, so it's still fair for someone to assume you don't have enough experience to have such high expectations of joining a game development project.

Why did you move to flashing your 'game design cred' from a discussion about a writing position? How does exploring 3D modelling and the likes translate to expecting a more substantial writing role with a game developer?

 

[Xanados]

Using software, posting on forums, and delving into aspects of game design are not qualifications, so it's still fair for someone to assume you don't have enough experience to have such high expectations of joining a game development project.

Why did you move to flashing your 'game design cred' from a discussion about a writing position? How does exploring 3D modelling and the likes translate to expecting a more substantial writing role with a game developer?

I'm surprised you haven't moved on, I really don't care anymore. How trivial is this in the great scheme of things? Think about it for a second. Have you nothing better to do?

 

[Johnny Cosmo]

I'm surprised you haven't moved on, I really don't care anymore. How trivial is this in the great scheme of things? Think about it for a second. Have you nothing better to do?

Ha, are you serious? I've posted about three or four times, in a single thread. You've been arguing everywhere. It seems to me like you didn't mind as long as you still thought you had some control. Now your argument has descended into meaningless drivel, mismatched points in a disjointed structure, and so you're trying to act as if you're above it all. The problem is, you're forgetting that you were happy to take part just a moment ago.

As Devor said: "People are responding directly to your own statements, Xanados."

 

[Devor]

I'm surprised you haven't moved on, I really don't care anymore. How trivial is this in the great scheme of things? Think about it for a second. Have you nothing better to do?

I don't think any of this is trivial at all. You will do better at life if someone can just get through your attitude problems, and by starting this thread you've presented people an opportunity to try. People are trying to give you serious advice. You should really listen.

 

[Xanados]

I don't think any of this is trivial at all. You will do better at life if someone can just get through your attitude problems, and by starting this thread you've presented people an opportunity to try. People are trying to give you serious advice. You should really listen.

Yes, of course Devor, I'm not listening to you. That is the reason why I'm replying to most everything you've said. You think I have an attitude? I'm am the blandest, coldest, most clinical person I've ever known. Your relations must be slates of granite.

 

[Devor]

Yes, of course Devor, I'm not listening to you. That is the reason why I'm replying to most everything you've said. You think I have an attitude? I'm am the blandest, coldest, most clinical person I've ever known. Your relations must be slates of granite.

I've posted repeatedly about a single topic, and you haven't addressed that topic even once. Why haven't you yet admitted to even the smallest mistake in your interactions with others on this forum?

 

[Johnny Cosmo]

Yes, of course Devor, I'm not listening to you. That is the reason why I'm replying to most everything you've said.

That was pedantic. He meant you should actually consider what people are saying.

Assumptions. You think I have an attitude? I'm am the blandest, cold, clinical person I've ever known.

You may think you are, but you've shown in these three threads just how heated and angry you can get. Do you remember exclaiming that you won't suffer injustice like some sort of wild crusader?

I'm sorry that I've started using an offensive tone, but it seems to be the only thing you know.

 

[Xanados]

I've posted repeatedly about a single topic, and you haven't addressed that topic even once. Why haven't you yet admitted to even the smallest mistake in your interactions with others on this forum?

Okay, Good Samaritan, your need to see a random person's life changed has brought out my "witty" side again. This isn't a self-help forum, is it?
I'll admit my attitude is somewhat--- wait, wait, a minute. Why am I doing this again? I don't need to do this.

I'm done trying to speak in a disciplined manner with you two. Go on, continue.

Edit: notice that every single post I've made in the past hour that isn't in this thread is genuinley nice.

 

[Johnny Cosmo]

I'll admit my attitude is somewhat--- wait, wait, a minute. Why am I doing this again? I don't need to do this.

You don't have to, but it might be a good idea to get to the bottom of this for the good of the community.

 

[Xanados]

You don't have to, but it might be a good idea to get to the bottom of this for the good of the community.

Strike me down! Strike me down, for I hath sinned! Burn me like the warlock I am!

I'm afraid you've caught me at a bad time, dear Johnny. It's 4:30 in the morning and I'm all out of seriousness for you lot that keep pestering me. I'm going to act like the child you assume me to be! I was brought up to speak properly, but who cares! Throwin' caution to the wind!

 

[Devor]

I'm done trying to speak in a disciplined manner with you two. Go on, continue.

Edit: notice that in every single post I've made that isn't in this thread is genuinley normal.

Honestly, it isn't. Even when you're friendly it's forced. Welcome to Mythic Scribes. Enjoy your stay. Are you trying to sound sarcastic, or is Black Dragon setting up a hotel?

You need to appreciate - you really should - that we're giving you every opportunity here. You won't get that in most places. You won't really get that anywhere.

 

[Benjamin Clayborne]

There is a certain irony in posting on a message board to accuse someone of having nothing better to do than post on a message board.

 

[Xanados]

Honestly, it isn't. Even when you're friendly it's forced. Welcome to Mythic Scribes. Enjoy your stay. Are you trying to sound sarcastic, or is Black Dragon setting up a hotel?

You need to appreciate - you really should - that we're giving you every opportunity here. You won't get that in most places. You won't really get that anywhere.

But I'm not really doing this just out of the kindness of my heart. You're just lucky. I would've banned you a long time ago if the choice was mine.




Then I suppose I can be done speaking to you in a disciplining manner. Just go away. You are not clinical, unemotional, or professional. You are by far the most ungracious and miserable person I've ever met on a forum, and that's saying a lot. You are angry, defensive, over-reactive, childish and rude. You hide from your accountability and attack others to cover you own failings. Grow up.

Just watch and listen as you move on in life. You're going to be hearing this from a lot of different people until someday it might just click for you.

Thank you for the in-depth analysis. Would you prefer I started flooding the forum with sadistic porn, swearing at people like an actual "childish", "rude" and "over-reactive" moron? Would you prefer, instead of my simple introduction posts, to spam the newcomer with emotes and pictures of fluffy bunnies? Would you prefer, instead of being one who is quiet until provoked, that I was a loud, beastly, obnoxious frat boy. I can be your frat boy if you want.

Okay, so I'm angry and defensive. It’s nice to meet you. You must be obnoxious and extroverted.

I could just label you a worm, but you’ve posted with what seems to be a fair use of brain power. I can respect that. I’ll give you my attention for the next few minutes.
This is literally the only wit I can conjure at the moment. You are the type of person I despise the most.

Sarcastic humour, if you haven’t guessed, is literally the only thing I find amusing. Cold and clinical, see?

 

[Devor]

You're right, Xanados. I'm sorry. I crossed a line in my previous post and I wish I could take it back.