I want to know your opinion on orcs in my fantasy novel and how they came to be

[amirkhafan]

The archaic orcs descended from the third wave of archons who rejected their civilization and migrated north.Northern humans eradicated most of the orcs, and the remaining orcs diverged into kobolds, goblins, trolls, and ogres.
The Tursarians started the orc breeding program to create better slave soldiers for the army—soldiers that were not weak, unruly, cowardly, or overly consumptive.
The Tursarians exploited the fighting between ogres and trolls to buy their female children for the breeding programs, while raiding kobold and goblin settlements for males.
The creation of orcs took multiple generations.
Females from larger races made mating and giving birth easier.
Pairing male kobolds and female ogres created the compatible hybrid known as boggarts.
Pairing male goblins and female trolls created the compatible hybrid known as boggles.
Pairing boggles and boggarts created the semi-compatible hybrid known as orcs, and after a generation of maternal and paternal pairing, they produced a stable population.
Pairing kobolds and goblins created the compatible hybrid known as beggeys.
Pairing ogres and trolls created the compatible hybrid known as bugganes.
Pairing male beggeys and female bugganes created the compatible hybrid known as orcs.
However, female beggeys and male bugganes had no use in the breeding program, so the Tursarians did not mass-produce them, as half were useless to them. Creating stable beggey and buggane populations seemed unnecessary.
The Tursarians used beggeys and bugganes captured from border regions and accidentally recreated orcs, but the low numbers of beggeys and bugganes made creating orcs from these hybrid races impractical.
After the orcs liberated themselves and conquered the eastern regions, they imposed a Blood Tax on the subjugated races, forcing each goblin, kobold, and beggey family (if found) to surrender one son, and each ogre, troll, and buggane family (if found) to surrender one daughter, to sustain orcish reproduction.
Orcs descended from bugganes and beggeys fled to the east and are known as feral orcs by the Tursarians; they live among troll, ogre, goblin, and kobold tribes.
There are no genetic differences between feral, freed, and slave orcs.
The size differences between male ogres and female kobolds make pairing impossible.The size differences between male trolls and female goblins make pairing impossible.
The size differences between male bugganes and female beggeys make pairing impossible.
Trolls and kobolds are too genetically divergent to pair.
Ogres and goblins are too genetically divergent to pair.

• Male goblin + female troll = boggle
• Male kobold + female ogre = boggart
• Male boggart + female boggle = orcart (proto-orc)
• Male boggle + female boggart = orcle (proto-orc)
• Orcart + orcle = orc
• Goblin + kobold = beggey
• Troll + ogre = buggane

Hybrid mounts are created by shamans through sacrificing animals and forming new creatures.Hybrid mounts:

• Bison + boar = yale (rider cavalry / waggon cavalry)
• Bear + wolf = gulon (chariot cavalry)
• Hedgehog + porcupine = bruch (sled cavalry)
• Elephant + rhino = behemoth (howdah platform tower cavalry)

Flying bat hybrid mounts:

• Chamrosh
• Yale + chamrosh (flying rider cavalry / ballooned waggon cavalry)
• Gulon + chamrosh (ballooned chariot cavalry)
• Bruch + chamrosh (ballooned sled cavalry)
• Behemoth + chamrosh (ballooned howdah platform tower cavalry)

Riders and mounts:

• Goblin / kobold / beggey: boar rider / boar waggon; wolf chariot; hedgehog sled; rhino tower
• Orc / boggle / boggart: yale rider / yale waggon; gulon chariot; bruch sled; behemoth tower
• Ogre / troll / buggane: bison rider / bison waggon; bear chariot; porcupine sled; elephant tower

Orc hybrids:

• Half-orc: human + orc
• Half-boggle: human + boggle
• Half-boggart: human + boggart
• Puck: elf + orc
• Half-puck: half-elf + half-orc / puck + human

 

[pmmg]

Well…you’ve put a lot of work into it, whats it all for?

 

[A. E. Lowan]

I think it looks quite intricate and in depth. Looking at the many different combinations, I've got to admit it's got me wondering if you've ever heard of the bonobo, a particularly happy sort of monkey. In other words, your orcs and goblins seem to be out there, living their best orc and goblin lives, and I approve of this content.

So, seconding pmmg, that's a lot of work there. What sort of project are you thinking about this for?

 

[amirkhafan]

Well…you’ve put a lot of work into it, whats it all for?

In my fantasy novel’s first book, the enemy is breeding orcs in hidden pits through forced mating as slave soldiers. A band of half-elves—long thought sterile and doomed to fade—encounters these orc hybrids in battle. These orcs are living proof that crossbreeding can succeed.

 

[amirkhafan]

I think it looks quite intricate and in depth. Looking at the many different combinations, I've got to admit it's got me wondering if you've ever heard of the bonobo, a particularly happy sort of monkey. In other words, your orcs and goblins seem to be out there, living their best orc and goblin lives, and I approve of this content.

So, seconding pmmg, that's a lot of work there. What sort of project are you thinking about this for?

In my fantasy novel’s first book, the enemy is breeding orcs in hidden pits through forced mating as slave soldiers. A band of half-elves—long thought sterile and doomed to fade—encounters these orc hybrids in battle. These orcs are living proof that crossbreeding can succeed.

 

[A. E. Lowan]

In my fantasy novel’s first book, the enemy is breeding orcs in hidden pits through forced mating as slave soldiers. A band of half-elves—long thought sterile and doomed to fade—encounters these orc hybrids in battle. These orcs are living proof that crossbreeding can succeed.

I don't know what to look at first. That you really did copy and paste that response, or that you did it on the very next post. I just want to nip that in the bud before you venture out across the internet. You're a writer. If we use 5 words when we could have used 10, you're not stretching your limits. Go forth and spread language like flowers.

 

[amirkhafan]

I don't know what to look at first. That you really did copy and paste that response, or that you did it on the very next post. I just want to nip that in the bud before you venture out across the internet. You're a writer. If we use 5 words when we could have used 10, you're not stretching your limits. Go forth and be literary.

sorry but english is not my first langueges and im not good at typing it and the book is not in english either

 

[A. E. Lowan]

sorry but english is not my first langueges and im not good at typing it

You're in the right place to work on that. About a quarter of our members write in English as a second language, and most of them are better at Englishing than I am. The internet is not a forgiving place, can verify after 20 years of gaming, and you won't have a good time copy and pasting when it would be easier on you, not to mention excellent language practice, to take the opportunity to compose a different reply for each post.

 

[pmmg]

Given the thought and work you have put in, this is very detailed. But its far more detailed than is probably needed for a story. Which is to say. Many of us overthink our world building, thinking it will add great depth to the story. Maybe it will, but most likely readers wont care about the animal husbandry. Story trumps world building. You’ve done enough with this, what is the story?

 

[amirkhafan]

Given the thought and work you have put in, this is very detailed. But its far more detailed than is probably needed for a story. Which is to say. Many of us overthink our world building, thinking it will add great depth to the story. Maybe it will, but most likely readers wont care about the animal husbandry. Story trumps world building. You’ve done enough with this, what is the story?

the story is set in early modern warfare era and those animals are used for cavalry units and extensively involved in the warfare in different chapters

 

[amirkhafan]

Do you think I’ll get criticized for racism and sexism over this?

 

[pmmg]

Do you think I’ll get criticized for racism and sexism over this?

Such thoughts never entered my mind.

 

[amirkhafan]

well, people on reddit though differently.

 

[pmmg]

and what did you think of that?

Were they well thought out opinions? Did you respect them? Or were they lowest common denominator stuff? Typical internet garbage?

I am sure I would be inclined to tell them all to go jump in a lake.

Did you write a rascist and sexist piece?

If you allow others to curtail your vision, your vision will never be written.

 

[amirkhafan]

the story set in a era when slavery exist some of character are slavers and slaves have certain skin tone but no

 

[pmmg]

So there are slaves. Has there ever been a time in human history when there were none? Give the story what it needs. Write it true. Dont apologize.

 

[Queshire]

Eh...

Ehhhhhh.......

Sure, write it if you want, but as a matter of personal taste I am not likely to choose to continue reading a book that had all that in it.

 

[amirkhafan]

Eh...

Ehhhhhh.......

Sure, write it if you want, but as a matter of personal taste I am not likely to choose to continue reading a book that had all that in it.

which part you do not like?
breeding orc is just a part of it tursarian are the enemy and do fuck up stuff

 

[Queshire]

Well, everything, but as I said it's a matter of personal taste. I'm not a fan of fucked up stuff. If that fits the tone of the story you're going for, however, then that's not something I can criticize.

Objectively, I do think there's more detail here than is practical for a story. The specific combinations aren't necessary. It's enough to know that the Tursians used a magical breeding program to produce soldiers and that once the Orcs freed themselves they imposed a blood tax in order to ensure their numbers.

 

[amirkhafan]

Well, everything, but as I said it's a matter of personal taste. I'm not a fan of fucked up stuff. If that fits the tone of the story you're going for, however, then that's not something I can criticize.

Objectively, I do think there's more detail here than is practical for a story. The specific combinations aren't necessary. It's enough to know that the Tursians used a magical breeding program to produce soldiers and that once the Orcs freed themselves they imposed a blood tax in order to ensure their numbers.

no magic involved in making hybrids just good old fasion ways