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SPOILERS: GRRM's "A Song of Ice and Fire"

Discussion in 'Novels & Stories' started by Philip Overby, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. Philip Overby

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    That's funny about the wind blowing over graves. :) That would be awesome. I would totally pay for that.

    I expect some major deaths in the next book for sure. It seems like A Dance of Dragons didn't really have any "moments" like some of the other books had. There's the dragon killing everyone at the gladiatorial games, and Cersei's humiliation, and Jon Snow's "death," but I can't think of any really big moments like Ned's execution, the Red Wedding, or others.
     
  2. Mindfire

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    Watching Game of Thrones Season 2 Episode 10. The way Theon Greyjoy gets unceremoniously conked on the head in the middle of his battle cry after he makes his grand death-and-glory speech is HILARIOUS.
     
  3. Devor

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    Rest assured, the hilarity continues in book 4: The adventures of Reek!
     
  4. Mindfire

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    Also one of my favorite scenes:

     
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  5. Philip Overby

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    I couldn't have imagined I'd like Tyrion more on the show than I do in the book, but Peter Dinklage is really amazing at that character.
     
  6. Mindfire

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    The actor who plays Joffrey is amazingly villainous. I never thought I'd enjoy hating a character so much. He deserves kudos for that.
     
  7. T.Allen.Smith

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    Yes Joffrey is a disgusting character. Many fans understandably loathe him. His purpose though, is to act as a foil the the others in the cast who fulfill the morally grey aspects of GRRM's world. It's extremely effective in my opinion.
     
  8. Philip Overby

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    Yeah, I think Joffrey is the only character who has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. At least Cersei has her love for her children and her "cheekbones" as Tyrion said.

    Several people who I have got to watch the show are saying, "I can't wait until that little jerk dies."

    You're right, the actor playing him is perfect. When he's a sadistic boy playing at king and when he's sniveling and cowardly, he's just spot on.
     
  9. Xela

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    Finally found the thread about my absolute favorite series. :) Just wondering what the level of fandom is here. Are we all up on Frey pies, the gravedigger, unicorns and cannibals, the maester conspiracy theory, and all of the other speculative theories?
     
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    Nope.
     
  11. Xela

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    Got 61. Forgot Jon Connington, which is horrendous because I really like his character and his last chapter is simply vivid.
     
  12. Devor

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    I think I understood all of that.

    . . . . yum, pie.
     
  13. Xela

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    Ah, really? :/

    Frey pies: Manderly had those Frey envoys killed on the journey to Winterfell for Ramsay and "Arya" [Jeyne Poole]'s wedding. Then served them in a pie similar to the song about the Rat Cook in the Nightfort. It's why he's so amused and lustily eating his pie while serving living Freys the remains of their relatives. It's one of those brilliant subtle details that Martin does so well (Connington's sexuality, Blackfish's sexuality, Cersei threw her friend into the well, etc.)

    The Gravedigger: While visiting the Quiet Isle in A Feast for Crows, Brienne briefly views a new brother, very large with a distinct limp, digging a grave with his back to her. Septon Meribald's dog, named Dog, reacts quite positively to this man as they walk past. Later, the Elder Brother tells her repeatedly how The Hound died, not that Sandor Clegane is dead. This gravedigger is widely believed to be him. Where he goes from here is another theory altogether.

    Unicorns and Cannibals: Simply that Rickon and Osha are on the isle of Skaagos where cannibals and unicorns are said to roam. There's a number of small clues to this, crashed ships viewed by Sam on his way south from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, the fear in Davos as he thinks about where Manderly is sending him. There's also more subtle clues to the chance that Ned Stark's lineage on his mother's side may come from Skaagos (I think it's believed to be his grandmother, but I can't recall) which lends more credit to this being Osha's destination with Rickon. Further thought that Luwin told her where she might take him.

    The Grey Sheep: Basically that the maesters are directly opposed to the magical, inexplicable things in the world and worked to stop them. In particular, they were instrumental in the eventual death of all of the dragons. Tons of evidence for this, from Cressen and his hatred for The Red Woman, Luwin and his talks/refusal to accept Bran on his word about his dreams, the words of Archmaester Marwyn and how he immediately sets out for Dany upon hearing what Sam had to say, Alleras (who is actually Sarella the Sand Snake) and what she's doing in Dorne, whatever Jaqen's actual name is and what he wanted within the Citadel and why he's still pretending to be Pate (Sam's chapters in book six will be extremely interesting), how the dragons don't grow to their full size when cooped up and yet earlier kings did just that most likely after receiving counsel from their trusted maesters, etc. I can go on but suffice to say it seems like they are directly opposed to magical forces and will not be of any help to Dany when she arrives or to anyone with magic on their side (Stannis, Euron, Cersei/Tommen once Robert Strong is fully publicized).

    What I love about these books and the world is how wonderfully intricate it all is. There's so many fascinating theories and each reread I find something new.
     
  14. Mindfire

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    Today's Game of Thrones episode was disappointing. I wanted to see Joffrey die.
     
  15. Philip Overby

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    Yeah, I heard it was a little disappointing when put up against the previous episode. It's most likely coming in Season 4. I hope they record people reacting to that too! :)
     
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    (Watched season 1&2, some parts of three, reading book 1.)

    Arya(favorite char)- needs Nemeria and Needle back and become a facelss one.

    Sansa-needs to learn the less honorable side of dealing with royalty (Littlefinger would be a very good teacher.)

    Bran- does seem to be expanding his potential, and has been lead away from his family path.

    Jamee(tied for favorite dark character): major setback with losing the hand, but I won't mark him off just yet. Will probably never become a good character b/c Bran.

    Tyrion-(2nd fav) loves the politics of Kingslanding which will probably be the end of him. Interesting coupling, Sansa and Tyrion. Clean politician and the true politician wed.

    Dany: (third favorite) started from a royal slave with no training in leadership, but has grown more then any other character. Her story is the slowest because she started so far behind and must let her babies grow into the beasts they need to be to take on armies.

    Hound: (tied for favorite dark character) there is an honor about him to protect the Stark girls and underdogs, but still will kill when told, his killing the butcher's son will probably never allow him to be totally honorable. Unless Arya does it, I hope Jamiee dies first.

    There seems to be a love hate relationship between Arya and the hound. They let their guard down and almost be civil, then they spit in the others eye with venom.

    Jeoffry: has lived way to long and needs to be killed. maybe even a Lord Farkwad ending? I did love the King being sent to bed without his supper by his grandfather.

    Favorite quotes:
    "Most girls are idiots."
    "no my Lord, anyone can be killed."
    "One day, I am going to stick a blade in your eye and out the back of your skull."
    "Every dwarf is a bastard."


    Would like to see Tyrion, Arya and Dany work together, don't think they will each ride a dragon, but they would make a very tough team, even more if Arya becomes a faceless.

    Can't wait to see them die:
    Jeoffry(crazy spoiled incestial bastard), Cerci, Tywin Lanister, the host of the Red wedding,

    Just realized, When Tywin told Tyrion he did his great deed in Tyrion's life for not leaving him in the forest, was not because he was a dwarf but because he was the cause of his wifes death.
    (Dwarfism doesn't show until growth is slowed in a child (5-8yrs old). (GRRMartin might have not realized this, but it changes the reason for wanting his son dead from the start.)
     
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  17. SeverinR

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    never mind the last statement, there is a type of dwaarfism that does show at birth.
    Thanks to growth hormone, my daughter is not a dwarf...by 1 inch.
    Dwarfism is 4'10" or less. She is 4'11".

    So do you think Tywin considered killing baby Tyrion for his birth defect or for killing his wife in childbirth?
     
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  18. ThinkerX

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    Consider those statements for a bit. Think about Tywin's position/office at the time of Tyrons birth, think about who he answered to, and think about his ambitions for a bit.
     
  19. Kit

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    Oh..... I think that's a bit of a reach, but it would certainly open up several interesting metal containers of squiggly legless creatures, wouldn't it?
     
  20. ThinkerX

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    It has been put forth with great seriousness more than once.

    Given the dwarfs situation at the end of Book V, this being true might be the only way he survives Book VI.

    A couple other predictions:

    Dany looses a dragon to the ironmen in Book VI...who in turn loose it to Jon Snow (skin shifting) later on.

    The Wall comes tumbling down...probably as a direct result of Ramsay Boltons actions (he is evil enough, short sighted enough, and arrogant enough to do such a thing).

    The fleet from Volantis mutinees upon approaching Mereen...giving Dany the ships she needs to cross the ocean. Volantis itself goes up in flames (civil war/slave revolt).
     
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