Is it controversial having a demon being and angel being mate?

[pmmg]

Over powered just means they can fight more powerful bad guys. There really is no such thing if you write the challenges to them to match.

 

[MagicFame1500]

Certainly overpowered, and if you want to see one in action there's always Jupiter Ascending, which I actually liked. (I also love Howard the Duck. No judgy.)

I saw them. Thought they were good too. But Caine is more just wolf and human dna?

Writing a Mary Sue is fine by me, if it's fun for you, it will be fun for someone else. It's very common in Anime series. Not the dragon angelic thing but the op character thing.

So if someone said it sounds op, then that would depend on the story.

What about an angelic werebear?

It definitely would be fun. Although I'm trying to avoid it being only like an anime.

I think angelic werebears are cool, any werebeasts with angelic mixes are cool imo. I'm just not sure would they be better than a werewolf?

 

[MagicFame1500]

Over powered just means they can fight more powerful bad guys. There really is no such thing if you write the challenges to them to match.

Agree. Their foes can be more challenging to say the least.

 

[ThinkerX]

'overpowered' gets into game terminology - and games usually translate poorly into storytelling.

That said...these 'half and half' characters make me wonder how their parents ever got into the same room and 'in the mood' without trying to kill each other. Lessee here...how did that thingy I saw on Facebook a couple weeks back go...

Fantasy Author - I killed the monster

Romance Author - I secretly dated the monster

Horror Author - I am the monster

Science Fiction Author - I reverse engineered the monster

Erotica Author - I reverse cowgirled the monster

 

[Finchbearer]

That's why I'd try to avoid using real religions.

But why? So you don’t offend some people? If we tried to avoid offending everyone we would just end up creating nothing. That’s all I’ll say about that.

 

[Queshire]

There's nothing wrong with trying to not be an arse and it's up to each individual to decide how to go about doing that.

Anyways! If something is op or not really depends on the setting and how it's presented. I mean, Harry Potter has werewolves but if they introduced an angel werewolf there then that'd likely raise a few eyebrows. In something like Dungeons & Dragons though? An angel werewolf sounds like it'd be right out of one of the Monster Manuals. Having one as a protagonist would take a bit more work though. Probably have it be a Druid Aasimar instead of a true angel werewolf.

Also, before anyone points out that D&D is a game, it is a game that has spawned dozens of books and a handful of fantasy settings based off of personal games of it.

 

[Finchbearer]

All I’m trying to illustrate is that we can explore subjects that may or may not be taken the wrong way be some people, but the fear of offending shouldn’t deter us from creating.

 

[BearBear]

I'm just not sure would they be better than a werewolf?

Consider how a mix would fight a comparable pureblood. Dragon-angel vs angel vs dragon, what advantages and disadvantages would a mix have? Surely they're diluted for pure abilities. Hybrids are typically stronger though so it's believable they could win. Consider the drawbacks though. Example:

"Mules have more endurance by far than the horse, and are more resistant to parasites and disease, require less feed for good health, have tougher hooves than the horse, and have an incredible sense of self preservation that keeps them safe, which is often mistaken for stubbornness."

The hybrid of ass and horse is a tough animal, better than horses as pack animals, strong, tough and smart. Like an ass on steroids, larger and more agreeable. However mules lack the undercoat of horses in winter, so their less cold hearty but are more heat tolerant. They need less food so next to a horse in an environment where horses thrive, they become obease, not kidding. They're more cautious than horses but tend to escape easier, especially to go overfeed or get into trouble eating things they shouldn't.

Though they're hearty to most diseases that affect horses, they are susceptible to other diseases that horses don't typically get. They're also always sterile and may be strong for their size, they're slower and smaller than horses and less sure footed than an ass especially if they're overweight. Asses are like mountain goats in certain ways.

So there's always room for a fair fight with hybrids.

 

[Queshire]

All I’m trying to illustrate is that we can explore subjects that may or may not be taken the wrong way be some people, but the fear of offending shouldn’t deter us from creating.

Fear of offending? Well, I couldn't agree with you more.

Still, it's always strange to me to see people talk about being afraid of offending. When you find out what makes someone uncomfortable you find out what's important to them. If you go into things thinking, 'hey, maybe there's a reason they think like they do,' then that can open up perspectives that you'd never considered before.

For little baby Que raised up on anime and video games demons are just generic enemies and as for angels? Well, digimon came out at an influential time in my development and Angemon was a badass.

Simply put, seeing a perspective like Pmmg's here in the thread wasn't something that I was expecting and it's not a perspective I would have learned about if people didn't give a shit.

 

[MagicFame1500]

But why? So you don’t offend some people? If we tried to avoid offending everyone we would just end up creating nothing. That’s all I’ll say about that.

Because I can't stand the hate. If there is a way I'd like to make everyone happy and avoid having enemies. But this is probably not all possible.

Having one as a protagonist would take a bit more work though. Probably have it be a Druid Aasimar instead of a true angel werewolf.

I'm more in line with this as it could make sense to have multiple magic uses. But then they would no longer be a werewolf/angel mix?

All I’m trying to illustrate is that we can explore subjects that may or may not be taken the wrong way be some people, but the fear of offending shouldn’t deter us from creating.

I just don't know how to make it work? Would it seem like a scapegoat if I tried to base these mythical creatures on them, without actually calling them a demon or angel?

The hybrid of ass and horse is a tough animal, better than horses as pack animals, strong, tough and smart. Like an ass on steroids, larger and more agreeable. However mules lack the undercoat of horses in winter,...

Ah good references. There could be many disadvantages, despite being a hybrid that would seem overpowered.

Still, it's always strange to me to see people talk about being afraid of offending. When you find out what makes someone uncomfortable you find out what's important to them.

I think this is one if my drawbacks. To avoid this, it makes me want to just make the mythical creatures up. And I think that's fine, since it's been done many times before. But would some people get irritated that I just don't refer to them as a demon and as an angel?

 

[pmmg]

Simply put, seeing a perspective like Pmmg's here in the thread wasn't something that I was expecting and it's not a perspective I would have learned about if people didn't give a shit.

And aren't you lucky to have it?

Offending with art is just part of the territory, along the lines of 'I may not like what you art, but I'll defend your right to art it'. But...you give my an Angel/dragon, and my eyes are going to roll. Clearly you dont understand angels. Lucky for you, most of the general public wont care if. Those that do, wont read it.

Imagine God in heaven....

Okay, which one of you was messing around with the lizards? Gabriel???? Gabriel????

Oh, by all that is me, dids't thou not notice that I turned them into lizards because they disgusted me?

I don't think an Angel would ever do such, and still be an angel.

 

[MagicFame1500]

I think I'll just make up the mythical species. Like a humanoid mythical bird race that looks angelic and a humanoid dragon lizard race that looks demonic?

 

[pmmg]

So.... I know I am kind of a strong personality on the site.

From the comments I read, it seems you are very averse to upsetting people. I think maybe overly so. You gotto do what you gotto do. Just cause I dont think Angels would be a certain way does not mean you cannot write them. Maybe if you did, in trying to get them right you might even learn them better. I'd rather see you go with what you believe, even if I don't think it flies, than not because of fear of my reaction (or others). Be a bold you first, and then work on getting it right.

Anyway...I'm gonna let others have this thread.

 

[BearBear]

Within my belief system, both angels and demons are the same "beings" one chooses enough of a right hand path that they appear righteous while the other chooses enough of a left hand path to appear hedonistic or sadistic. Just like people, you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell them appart if you met them and there are many passages in the bible that support this: 2 Corinthians 11: 12-15 for instance.

So presuming they're neither omnipotent nor infallibly dedicated to their path there is in my reckoning a lot of genuine overlap and falsehood, just like us worms of the Earth. So just as you're perception and perspective of someone can be skewed to be something more like what you want to believe than what actually is, so too could you perceive one being as so called angelic and one as so called demonic and the two could conceivably conceive. Whether by deception, illusion, denial, ignorance, or by shear breadth of their personality they may be compatible.

It is my understanding that beings that are called demons can be portrayed as pure absolute evil and angels as pure absolute good, but that's only one perspective. Anime has "demon" race characters that are pretty likable and not especially heinous or evil by any regard. Angels may include those who fight in war. Certainly angels are capable of sin 2 peter 2:4 and Jude 6 hence they could become demons. But would God cast them out for minor indiscretion? Likely not if they substantially stayed their path and repented. Same for demons, if they were capable of repentance they may yet be saved, and so on.

I don't live my life in an attempt not to offend. Such a life would be best served in a Tibetan monetary under vow of silence.

 

[MagicFame1500]

Maybe if you did, in trying to get them right you might even learn them better. I'd rather see you go with what you believe, even if I don't think it flies, than not because of fear of my reaction (or others). Be a bold you first, and then work on getting it right.

But that's the thing. There's so many different interpretations of them, how do you know which one is the right way? It's like with vampires and werewolves, they come in different lores and styles.

Anime has "demon" race characters that are pretty likable and not especially heinous or evil by any regard. Angels may include those who fight in war. Certainly angels are capable of sin 2 peter 2:4 and Jude 6 hence they could become demons. But would God cast them out for minor indiscretion? Likely not if they substantially stayed their path and repented. Same for demons, if they were capable of repentance they may yet be saved, and so on.

A pretty good example how demons can be made different than what is already seen as common. Anime does it all the time. But is there any harm in me making up the ethereal, infernal races?

 

[BearBear]

A pretty good example how demons can ve made different than what is already seen as common. Anime does it all the time. But is there any harm in me making up the ethereal, infernal races?

You have my blessing to do whatever you want. So sayeth the Bear.

The only caveat is with copyright infringement because big companies love to take ownership of public entities: see Loki and platforms are so risk averse they strike down users for nothing.

Also...

 

[A. E. Lowan]

I saw them. Thought they were good too. But Caine is more just wolf and human dna?

Now it's been a while since I saw Jupiter Ascending (I've only seen the first one), but near the end of the movie it's revealed that Caine also has angel DNA and pops wings that his trench coat had hidden. So, it's a bit like an eight-year-old wrote a fan fic and it got made into a movie. So, a human/wolf/angel mix is plausible in this universe. If they can do it, so can we.

Jupiter Ascending (2015) - IMDb

Jupiter Ascending: Directed by Lana Wachowski, Lilly Wachowski. With Mila Kunis, Channing Tatum, Sean Bean, Eddie Redmayne. A young woman discovers her destiny as an heiress of intergalactic nobility and must fight to protect the inhabitants of Earth from an ancient and destructive industry.

www.imdb.com

 

[MagicFame1500]

You have my blessing to do whatever you want. So sayeth the Bear.

The only caveat is with copyright infringement because big companies love to take ownership of public entities: see Loki and platforms are so risk averse they strike down users for nothing.

Also...

Thank you

I don't get it? Is the issue with Loki due to copyright or offensive to Nordic culture?

So, a human/wolf/angel mix is plausible in this universe. If they can do it, so can we.

Ah, you're right. Then I don't see the reason why it can't work.

 

[ThinkerX]

I don't get it? Is the issue with Loki due to copyright or offensive to Nordic culture?

Write a story involving the Nordic God Loki in a reasonably Nordic setting, you are probably safe - Loki is an established mythological character with a lot of stories.

Write a story where Loki is battling present day superheroes who closely resemble those in the Marvel Universe...you could have problems.

Now, you *could* do an 'American Gods' type deal where Loki and other bygone deities are running around in the modern world minus the caped heroes - mythology updated, but that could get tricky.

There are other races to which this applies. Elves and dwarves and sprites and brownies and whatnot all have long mythological histories and are therefore 'safe.' Same with goblins. Orcs are, or were, Tolkien specific, but since slithered into D&D and Warhammer...so...maybe. Dark Elves? A bit redundant, when you look at the old myths - a lot of the old elves and dwarves were downright nasty. So, generic not so good elves you can get away with. Evil elves that dwell in matriarchal underground cities and worship a spider-demon...nope.

 

[Queshire]

I'm more in line with this as it could make sense to have multiple magic uses. But then they would no longer be a werewolf/angel mix?

Eh. Depends on what you're looking to get out of the character. D&D style druids can turn into wolves (along with other animal forms.) I don't think they can actually take the classic bipedal werewolf form, but I mean, you're writing a story here. Whether or not such a druid could take a bipedal werewolf form is up to you. It'd also be pretty easy to flavor the rest of their druidic magic as sort of a holy, angel type magic. Plus, Aasimar in D&D are a race defined by having the blood of angels or other good outsiders running through their veins to begin with.

As for copyright and all that junk, the basic idea is that you can copyright a specific expression of something but not the general. Hobbits are specific, but Halflings are general. If you don't enforce your trademark over something you can lose it as well which is why you still can't use Hobbit, but you can use Orc. Basically if it's different enough from someone else's version that readers aren't likely to mistake one for the other than you're good.