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The Wheel of Time (Amazon) (Spoiler Thread)

Discussion in 'Film & Television' started by FifthView, Nov 19, 2021.

  1. FifthView

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    Once again, labeling this a spoiler thread so I don't have to worry about hiding or revealing spoilers. Visitors beware. :sneaky:

    I don't have a lot to say about the first three episodes except that I loved them. I'm fully invested.

    I've read the first four or five novels, when they were first published. I eventually had distractions in my life which, combined with the wait between books, led me to stop reading the series at that point.

    From what I remember, the Amazon show seems to follow the first book rather well. I do think the development might seem slow to some reviewers and modern viewers. This might explain the somewhat low Rotten Tomatoes scores. For my part there's this: Epic fantasies were always, always about creating depth and broadness in the world. When I was younger, this was true. The Wheel of Time took its time, and I became immersed. (IMO, it did this a little better than GRRM's ASOIAF.) So I'm 100% fine with the fact that we're more or less still just traveling and/or discovering the world after the first three episodes.

    Besides which, Moiraine is a badass.

    I may have more to say after new episodes.
     
  2. Demesnedenoir

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    I’ve only watched the first episode, and I will admit to remembering damned near nothing of the books I read way back when, heh heh. So, true to the books means nothing to me.

    It was okay, shows some promise, but at the same time, it demonstrates some possible weaknesses. It’s a wait a and see, which makes it nice there are 3 episodes out now, even if I’m putting them off to get more important stuff done, heh heh.
     
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  3. Steerpike

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    Hmmm. I thought it didn’t follow the book very well, and most of the changes weren’t for the better. I don’t like the pacing or tone, which also seem off to me as compared to the book. The fridging decision just seems lame. I like the cast and it looks nice but I don’t know if I’ll be able to get into it.
     
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  4. Demesnedenoir

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    That’s why it’s sometimes good to not remember the books… heh heh. My own world and stories pushed out my memories of most all other books and much of real life ages ago. Handy for writing, but terrible for remembering to pay the bills or argue the merits of a novel.

    Some of the music and other thigs just kinda… I had moments of “this is nice” and moments of “rrrrrrr, eeeewww uuuummmm”. I’ll watch it, since there isn’t enough epic fantasy out there to keep me from it, heh heh.

     
  5. skip.knox

    skip.knox toujours gai, archie Moderator

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    I too don't remember much from the books, so I'm not real invested there. In the third episode I really noticed how dirty the other folks in the town were versus the two protagonists. That struck me as typical Hollywood. There's my constant complain about how modern video seems to think the best way to communicate the confusion of battle is to shake the camera and make lots of quick cuts. There are other ways to tell that!

    As for the rest, I'm along for the ride. There truly is a grievous lack of epic fantasy on the screen.
     
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  6. Demesnedenoir

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    I think LoTR and GoT in particular are the only two cinematic fantasies where I’m visually drawn into the world with the characters feeling “real” instead of just actors in costumes. GoT production I give massive credit, plus the music was excellent. I’m not sure why. Part is probably haircuts, make-up… must be a combination of things. It’s kind of like how all the cops in some shows look like models, heh heh. The Hobbit movies also fell out of the “real” to feel more like actors. Probably because of all the dwarves.

    The music and dialogue are also… iffy for me. I mean, I’ll watch it and enjoy it, but I hope the Middle Earth series is done better.
     
  7. skip.knox

    skip.knox toujours gai, archie Moderator

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    I'm a fan of old movies and the look of actors is really striking. There's a huge variety of facial types and even body types in the old stuff. In modern stuff, especially after 1980 or so, nearly everyone is pretty. No lumpy faces, no natural scarring, everyone looks reasonably well fed. It's not a huge issue and it's certainly OT. Just regard me as that guy at the party who starts complaining out of nowhere in the middle of someone else's conversation. <g>
     
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  8. Demesnedenoir

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    It is interesting, because there is diversity in a sense, but in another, homogeny. LOL.
     
  9. FifthView

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    My only major complaint is that it's a weekly offering.

    I wasn't too bothered by the pacing. Generally speaking, I approve. But I'm not sure the present approach and format are working well together. Remember the cliffhanger (hehe) at the end of the first episode of GOT? It was a proverbial page turner, it set up some immediate high stakes character tensions, and it left everyone asking lots of questions. Has anything in WOT done that yet? There are plenty of mild questions, curiosities about the world, plot, and characters—but they are curiosities at this point, even three episodes into the season. As such, no definite high stakes tension has been created.* You need more certainties, like kids being thrown from towers by incestuous royalty, and fewer mild curiosities, for strong tension.

    As I said, I'm generally fine with the pacing so far. It's just that I wish more episodes had been dropped already. I was personally invested—happy to take that meandering stream wherever it might lead. Only, it didn't lead anywhere yet. It's only hinting at directions. (Even if I do know some of the potential directions, having read the first 3 or 4 novels and remembering some things.)

    *Edit: With the exception of some action sequences, whether involving the Trollocs invading Two Rivers or the escape from the cursed city. The bats in throats and dreams and so forth might increase suspense momentarily. But how everything fits together is not answered for the casual viewer.
     
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  10. FifthView

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    Episode 4 was nearly perfect. My problem now is that I'm fine with the Egwene and Perrin arc disappearing altogether, heh. I mean, One of these things is not like the others / One of these things just doesn't belong / Can you tell which thing is not like the others / By the time I finish my song? At least for this episode, this song came to mind.
     
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    The Egwene and Perrin arc finally became interesting.

    But we have only three more episodes, and what has happened so far?
     
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  12. skip.knox

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    >But we have only three more episodes, and what has happened so far?
    Plenty has happened. I'm guessing what you mean is that nothing has happened that has seemed very interesting to you. That's fine. Me, I'm still enjoying the production itself--costuming, sets, panoramas. The story is already moving much faster than it did in the books.
     
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  13. Demesnedenoir

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    It would have to happen faster than the books, heh heh.

    I’m enjoying it, though I haven’t watched the latest episode, but it still doesn’t suck me in. Still feels like a bunch of modern people slapped into a movie to me rather than getting me that extra step into the suspension of disbelief.

     
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  14. skip.knox

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    True dat. Everyone is too pretty. A couple of faces have character, but for the most part the skin is too smooth, the teeth too straight, the eyes too clear. With most movies I can ignore that, be oblivious, but it is somehow more noticeable with fantasy movies, or with anything set pre-modern.
     
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  15. Demesnedenoir

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    Yeah, not sure why that hits me more in fantasy and medieval period stuff. Name of the Rse was one that really worked for me. Most don’t, even if I enjoy them.

     
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  16. FifthView

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    I’m enjoying it as well, the same things. I’ve found a few things very interesting. I rated episode 4 as “perfect." But for a season, there’s not been much movement in the plot, and the season is about to end.
     
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