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The Mandalorian Spoiler Thread

Discussion in 'Film & Television' started by Garren Jacobsen, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. FifthView

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    I think that Cara Dune is supposed to show up again in a couple later episodes, so ....

    I'm wondering if we'll get some more episodes pairing Mando up with various people, then having them all come together near the end of the season.
     
  2. Devor

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    Who would you pick as an enemy? If the enemy were bounty hunters, then the character would know at the start of the episode that he couldn't leave the child, and we wouldn't have time to explore the character's growth moment. I get the impression we'll be seeing more storm troopers soon. The audience would need more time to set up rebellion soldiers as an enemy. I think a local group makes the most sense, although I suppose it could've been a planet he already had ties to, but they really want to play it slow on this character's reveal.
     
  3. Steerpike

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    I knew right away it was going to be a "Seven Samurai" sort of episode. Seems fine, considering Kurosawa's impact on Star Wars.
     
  4. Demesnedenoir

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    I’m reminded of old westerns, something like Paladin. Insert any roaming hero, really.
     
  5. Steerpike

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    I think Seven Samurai predates that show as well. The basic plot is villagers beset by a group of thugs from the mountains near the village. They send some of their fellow villagers out to hire people to help. The seven samurai are hired, come back, teach the villagers to fight so they can defend themselves when the next attack comes (and of course the samurai help too). It's basically the exact same plot. Seven Samurai was adapted as the western The Magnificent Seven for U.S. audiences.

    Kurosawa, who directed Seven Samurai, was an influence on George Lucas. Lucas has talked about the influence The Hidden Fortress had on him. That starred Toshiro Mifune, who was also in Seven Samurai.

    Given all of the above, I figured the Mandalorian episode was probably a conscious nod to Kurosawa and his influence on Star Wars.
     
  6. Steerpike

    Steerpike Felis amatus Moderator

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    Just after I posted, I found this article: 'The Mandalorian' star Pedro Pascal channeled Han Solo and Clint Eastwood for Disney+

    The guy playing the Mandalorian talks about the influence:

    “The character is very much built on the iconic presence of the Man With No Name in the Sergio Leone movies, played by Clint Eastwood, [and] the lone samurai in Akira Kurosawa,” he said. “It’s aesthetically and very, very much narratively built in that kind of iconic lone gunslinger/sword-wielder.”

    He mentions Sergio Leone's movies, as well as Kurosawa, but it is worth noting that Leone's "Man with No Name" films were directly taken from Kurosawa. "Fistfull of Dollars" is a remake (that can be tracked scene by scene) of Kurosawa's film "Yojimbo" (incidentally, starring Mifune again). Kurosawa actually sued over Yojimbo/Fistfull of Dollars and won.

    Not that this is a critique of any of the films--I like them all, and everything has inspiration (though Leone walked too close to the line between inspiration and ripoff). Kurosawa himself pointed to American writer Dashiell Hammett as an inspiration for Yojimbo.

    It does, however, make it seem likely to me that the writers on The Mandalorian were going with a Kurosawa homage.
     
  7. Demesnedenoir

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    The whole thing is a nod to westerns as well, which Star Wars borrowed from, there is no one influence here. The lone gunfighter image along with bounty hunting goes back to the 1860’s and early 1900’s dime novels. Kurosawa himself was influenced by westerns and vice versa. But then I’ve never been a fan of Seven Samurai nor the Magnificent Seven, for whatever that’s worth. Nor Fistfull of Dollars, for that matter. I put that damned near at the bottom of Eastwood cowboy flicks.

    I should also note the orc attack on humans to start episode 4, heh heh. The Mandalorian is a mashup of lots of things, and so far, it’s adequately done but it’s not impressing me. Standard stuff, the only thing which keeps me watching is the “cool” factor and hope for something more.

     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2019
  8. FifthView

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    For me, whether the choices are explainable is not the point. Influences can be mapped but...so what? Heh. Nothing new under the sun; so, everything will have influences. The good, the bad, and the merely eh?

    I put off watching episode 5, until tomorrow probably, so here's fingers crossed.
     
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  10. Demesnedenoir

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    OK, I don’t love the series, but it’s good and shows potential, but the short format and episodic feel leaves me a bit flat.
     
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