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GoT S7 Spoilerfest!

Discussion in 'Film & Television' started by Legendary Sidekick, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. Demesnedenoir

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    If it were only the chains, good... its the piling on, justify as you will.

    D-d-d-dany and her jets... I mean supersonic dragons... doesn't quite fit the song, but hey.

    Dany and Jon sitting in a tree... hell, nothing new for Targaryens, heh heh.
     
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  2. Legendary Sidekick

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    She better get wise to those anti-aircraft spears, or the song will be "Dany and Her JET."
     
  3. Legendary Sidekick

    Legendary Sidekick The HAM'ster Moderator

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    I'm overall very happy with this season. I liked Theon winning the respect of his crew, Little Finger getting beaten at his own game, and seeing evidence that dragons being able to kill thousands at a time is rather terrifying when one gets turned to the dark side. The Wall's fire escape must've seemed infinitely long to those poor watchmen.

    Going back to LF's death--the sisters not truly betraying each other was expected, but I loved how it played out.
     
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  4. Demesnedenoir

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    I would notch it as a midling season, maybe lower half, not that I've given it great thought. Littlefinger's gurgle was good, but a tad cliche when it comes to gotcha moments. The dead dragon was good, but how we got a dead dragon was weak.

    Primarily, it was a buildup season which felt more contrived than I'd like. The porn writers were mostly kept out of the HBO studios so that was a plus.
     
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  5. FifthView

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    For me, everything seems a little too on-the-nose.

    But there's not much room left for clever twerking in the story. Not enough time, not enough remaining episodes to take things in a wildly different path. Something I've been thinking since the start of this season: All those characters whose method of operation is clever manipulation, "throne-gaming," are being sidelined or, in this case, killed. We've moved beyond the "game" portion and are now into the more serious fight or die portion. So Danaerys, Jon/Aegon, Arya, Jaime, and all the other killers and fighters are soaking up the limelight; or else, those characters who are very weak in nuanced political manipulation, like Bronn and Theon.

    I did especially like seeing Littlefinger beg and weep, more than seeing Sansa single him out at the beginning of that scene. For me, that's almost a summary of the turn this show has taken. Cersei seems to be the only one remaining who is still hatching clever plots. (Ok, I'll add Euron, but he's just an extension of Cersei now.)

    I'd add the Night's King to that list of clever plotters, but he's too opaque. Incidentally, that's another negative thing the creators of the show have done. Their go-to method of trying to build shocking surprises is to keep characters opaque. The whole Sansa/Arya/Bran tag team was handled this way. So yes, the outcome wasn't exactly predictable, was too opaque for predictability, but it left only two potential outcomes and the writers went with the fan service. Well LF didn't have much left to do in the show, given the time constraints and the fact that we've moved beyond the nuanced gaming.
     
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  6. Legendary Sidekick

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    On predictability, I think we know the characters well enough that very little can surprise us. The Stark sisters weren't going to kill each other, and even if you missed the clues they were playing LF, you knew he would lose to the girls.

    Theon gaining respect and Cersei's tears were the more surprising moments. How LF took the prospect of his death... I did enjoy that. He knew he was screwed but tried to talk his way out because talking's the only skill he has.
     
  7. FifthView

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    I think that once Arya was brought into the room, and especially with the mention of "murder" along with treason, and especially with the sudden reappearance of Bran, the outcome was pretty predictable.

    When the writers decided to have LF say that no one was there, no one saw....with Bran sitting right behind him in that camera angle, I'm like, here comes Bran to drive in the nail. That's one of those little things that's been too on the nose for me, a tiny thing maybe but nonetheless...

    I do think we know most of the characters too well at this point for them to surprise us much. But the way the writers kept so much opaque in the Arya-Sansa interactions still left open the possibility that Sansa would do something ridiculous. I had thought the writers were playing that conflict up way too much, trying too hard to leave open the possibility. But this was a situation, before this episode, where I couldn't be positive what the writers were going to do until much nearer the resolution point.
     
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    Incidentally, I'm glad Bran's abilities were clarified. I'd been thinking he could only see the past and present, not the future, and I'm glad this is true. He can make educated guesses about the future, sure. And he doesn't automatically see everything in the past—hadn't thought to go look at the marriage between Jon's parents, until Sam informed him of it.
     
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  9. Penpilot

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    I think part of the nuance is lost because the show didn't have an actual novel to draw things from this time arround. All they probably had was notes and outlines from Martin.

    Jon and Danny, I'm wondering if there's going to be some sort of miracle birth/pregnancy because pure Targaryan is being combined? Ewwww. Maybe Danny will actually give birth to a dragon or through this bring them back in a big way?
     
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