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GoT Season Five [NO SPOILERS, PLEASE]

Mindfire

Istar
Disclaimer: I have not watched last nights show, will watch tonight probably.
I saw a story about it .
"Did Game of Thrones go to far?"
Sansa's rape seems to be small potatoes compared to last nights show.
As far as the story goes, the sacrifice to the fire God is not surprising. But in doing so, I don't believe anyone will be loyal to Stannis. That he would do that to his own family.
I've never thought Stannis was a good king, but this sealed it. Much like Reek's mistakes.

So to answer the question of the news story.
I don't think they went to far. It shows the evil of men, the evil of pursuit of power, and what lengths people will go to achieve it. Like most characters in GOT, I never thought her character was to be killed off in such a way.
I don't see how Davos will be able to continue serving Stannis.

The reason people are upset, they killed a handicapped child, that harmed no one. You don't kill the dog and you don't kill an innocent child, even worse a handicapped innocent child.

It's become very clear that Stannis's character arc is about his slow and steady progression from being a good, though exacting and cold-hearted man to being truly lost, turning cruel and evil in his relentless pursuit of power. And with with the devil-woman Melisandre stoking his obsession, it's all but guaranteed Stannis will only be a shell of his former self by the time this is all over, if he survives.
 

SeverinR

Vala
I'm not liking the changes this season.
They seem to be doing them for the shock value rather then for the story line.
GOT is dark enough without going darker.
 

Legendary Sidekick

The HAM'ster
Moderator
So was the sacrifice not in the book,either? (I heard Sansa's rape wasn't)
Sansa and Ramsey never meet in the book. Ramsey marries Jeyne Poole, a girl who poses as Arya Stark. She is abused by her husband as Sansa is, or in other words, Sansa's arc in the show has merged with Jeyne Poole.

I don't know if Princess Shireen will die in book 6 or 7, but if she does die I hope it's not like this… it's really weak storytelling. "So, if I have my daughter die a slow, painful death, then I can move what's left of my army to Winterfell where we'll face the twenty guys who made fools of us plus the rest of Bolton's forces who obviously know we're coming and have prepared defenses from within the advantageous position inside Winterfell's walls. Yes, by all means, burn the little shit."
 

SeverinR

Vala
Just watched it.

A King is lost to fire, and a queen is raised by fire.

I don't see any way his troops can follow him. I am not violent, but I would have stuck a blade in him while he watched his daughter burn.
I think the fight arena would have been better, if the sons of Harpy's
would have her surrounded an the dragon breathes on them all. She walks out of the burning sons. Then still have her fly off.
Can't believe the season is over next week.
 
I hated that scene with the burning. Stannis asks the question "can't we use leeches?" and Melissandre just says no. It makes sense that she wants to kill Shireen so she can emotionally isolate and control Stannis, but Stannis and more importantly the audience need a rational reason why. Gendry gets leeches and Shireen gets burnt alive?? Makes no sense and that makes the horror of a kid screaming on a pyre just plain wrong.

Smacks of Anakin Skywalker's bad turn in Star Wars - too much too fast.

I agree with the sentiments above - which sane soldier is going to want to follow a man who murders his own kid? I can't imagine how Ser Davos is going to react - except to devote himself to taking Melissandre down.
 
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SeverinR

Vala
I look at Melissandre as a religious extremist, they will do anything in service to their god.
He was a father who burned his daughter alive. I see Ser Davos being very conflicted, I can't see him serving Stannis anymore, his final conversation with her, was love. I believe he will go after both Melissandre, but I don't see him walking away from a breathing Stannis. But since this never happened in the book, I don't see Stannis dying by Davos and I don't think Davos character has reached the end either. But they don't seem to care about how the book handles things.

I think HBO is maneuvering to plunge past what was already written and they wanted to deviate in some places that the pseudo writers wanted to explore.

Anyone know the death count for Arya or Tyrion? (actual kills not asking or telling someone to kill for them.)

Tyrion-5: the guy he killed with a shield, his beloved, and his father. Did he kill any at the battle of blackwater bay? He killed two SOH in the arena didn't he?

Arya-4: The thief that basically impales himself, the guy that took needle from her, the one that had to tell her his name before she added him to the list, the dying girl,
Did I miss any?
 

SeverinR

Vala
Ok, Season finale next week.
Not seeing a lot of acclaim for this season.

Really not much excitement for this season. Many good scenes, many shocking changes from the book, but compared to other seasons it was bland.
I think both Sansa and Shireen's handling has lost Game of thrones some viewers. A good number or a few, I don't know.
I think by now, most people know that anything can happen.

Recap the highpoints:
1.The massacre at Hardhome
2.Sansa rape wedding
3.Shireen's fire
4.Cersei's arrest
5.Dance of the dragon

Did I miss a high point? Not just interesting scenes but highpoints in the series?
These are not season remembering highpoints.
Also not seeing a good cliff hanger for the finale.

Expecting maybe the battle of the north.
Thinking maybe a turning point in Arya's character.
Cersei's trial?

Is Bran not in this season at all?
 

Legendary Sidekick

The HAM'ster
Moderator
Bran is missing this season. So is Theon's sister. (Asha in books, Yara on film?)

I thought the HBO showrunners stepped up their game in Season 4. Joff was dead in episode 2, and there was so much more going on that season. Viper's death was exactly as in the books and the Father's Day special was close enough.

This season was pretty weak between slow build-up and questionable deviations that were badly written. Even the pit battle had way too many dramatic pauses so the main characters wouldn't die. The scene was fun enough that I enjoyed it, but I won't pretend its flaws aren't glaring just because I didn't glare back.
 

Legendary Sidekick

The HAM'ster
Moderator
Love the actor; hate the scene?

As much as I hated Shireen's death, and I do think it was poorly written, I admire the job the actors did with it. Here's words from the actor playing Davos.

I think it's an interesting line of work, having to get into the character and play out the scene as it's written, even if it means you're out of a job or someone you enjoy working with is out.
 

SeverinR

Vala
Is this the time period that the writer was planning on doing a 5 yr leap? Or is that next season?

Like I said, I think they lost viewers with Sansa and Shireens's changes, unless they get some excitement and cliff hanger, I think they will lose viewers just because they forgot about it.

"Oh, has Game of thrones returned...I forget what happened last time."

Every season before, it's like, "When is it going to start! I want to see..."
 
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SeverinR

Vala
I think it's only fair to hear from the crispy kid-o herself.:skull:
Kerry Ingram From ‘Game Of Thrones’ Is Healthy And Adorable On Twitter

She is 16. She doesn't look it. (My daughter hates to hear that when they say it about her. They asked if she was young enough for a child's price at Golden Corral. "I'm almost 20")

I think I should probably tell her I was thrown out of a bar for having a fake military ID that said I was 19. And was carded last when I was 32. (aside from Indiana, that cards everyone, state law, they carded a 70 yr old.)

Did Shireen never sing on Game of Thrones? She sung in character on You tube?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHo1y-VVi8 "It's always summer under the sea"
 
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SeverinR

Vala
I was pleasantly surprised that they could have so many things to look forward to next season.

Arya blind. (when you are in an assassin guild, you don't get to kill just anyone you want.)
Melisandre arrived at the wall just before John was "killed." Melisandre has the power from Shireen's sacrifice that she has not used. (The other person that raised the dead didn't have to have a kings blood to do it.)

John killed; they seem to forget the dire wolf when they want too.
Cersei carried off by mountain,
I see Cercei doing a "burn them, burn them all!" moment in season 6. Who killed the last person that said that? Who is suppose to kill Cersei?
 

SeverinR

Vala
Season 6, will there be a polar bear?

New director: Jack Bender, "LOST".
Oh and a Miami Vice director...A car chase and drugs?
 

ThinkerX

Myth Weaver
Is this the time period that the writer was planning on doing a 5 yr leap? Or is that next season?

I think I can answer that without giving away spoilers...because there are none.

Originally, GRRM planned a five year gap in the WRITTEN series between books 3 and 4 (Seasons 4 and 5 in the TV series, more or less). Two reasons:

1 - In the books, many of the character are much younger - Jon Snow is something like 13 or 14, and Arya is 10 or 11, while Bran is maybe 8. He wanted to set things up so the youngsters would have time to mature at their various positions - Lord Commander of the Nights Watch, Faceless Woman, Magician, Queen (in the case of Dany).

2 - He wanted time for greater developments - rise of a militant church, decline of Lannister authority, slave revolts on the other continent, and what not to happen without appearing rushed.

But what prevented this was something that turned out to be trivial in the books and more sideline than ought else in the series - Dorne. Plus, while many characters were not doing much, others like Cersei were extremely busy during the gap. He tried various solutions. One of the more interesting was a seven chapter prologue, but even that didn't work.

So GRRM did away with the gap. If events happened unreasonably fast, so be it, and if you have very young characters thinking and acting like adults, well, then deal with it.

In the series, they took a different approach, and made the younger characters five years older - probably a good thing (imagine 14 year old Sansa with Ramsey).
 

SeverinR

Vala
Just tossing this out, (based on the show, not the books)
Shireen was sacrificed, but the power was never used.
Malisandre just returned to the Wall, and has the untapped power.

Arya witnessed a man die and be brought back by the fire priest, and needed no sacrifice to do it. (At least none that we saw)
Also, they said he had been brought back many times by the priest.

So I don't believe Malisandre wouldn't have to use the power from Shireen's death to raise John Snow. But what will she use it for?

The actor that played John Snow said: "I'm not coming back next season." Either he is lying or his character won't be part of the story again until the season after next. Bran was out this season, so it's not unheard of.
Thinking the Hound might skip a season too.
 

MineOwnKing

Maester
Did anyone else think it was strange that Sam Tarly is always sweating even when it's like -50?

Is that suppose to be a flaw that we sympathize with? Somebody please give that poor boy a bandanna.
 

SeverinR

Vala
Hyperhidrosis?
or a nervous condition? (Probably a secondary character flaw)
No deodorant in those times, probably not to pleasant to be around.
 
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