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Spoiler-Fest: Game of Thrones S6

Discussion in 'Film & Television' started by Legendary Sidekick, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. Ankari

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    You're assuming she died. I know it appears the only conclusion, but I wouldn't write her off yet.
     
  2. Legendary Sidekick

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    Well, Varys was in Mereen at the end, but that could've been days/weeks later. It does come off as teleporting, but we don't know how much time passes between scenes.

    Same with time between episodes. Arya was at Riverrun, just waiting for the Lannister army to get out of her way.

    This was an impressive season finale. It set up next season, but with plenty of surprises!
     
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    I can only see this show having 2 more seasons at the most. This season ended with a clear-cut path to to the end. If it's two seasons, next would be about Daenerys conquering Westeros and all the twists and turns with the Starks and Lannisters, and then the final season would be an all out battle between the ice (the whitewalkers) and fire (the dragons.)
     
  4. Ankari

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    More observations

    • Daenerys bestowing the office of the Hand on Tyrion was very touching. I'm not sure exactly why her earned it. His actions incited a war. I wonder what their relationship will bloom into. Why not wed into one of the greater houses of Westeros to secure legitimacy.
    • Speaking of marriages, Daenerys' refusal of Daario to join her may backfire. What exactly is keeping Meereen civil? She took her Unsullied, Dothraki, dragons, and ships. The Second Sons were there before the Dothraki came and saved Meereen. What is to stop the Sons of the Harpy to rise up again?
    • Speaking more of marriages, now that Tyrion is returning to Westeros, what will come of Sansa's marriage to him? By marrying Sansa, he is now the effective King of the North.
    • But what about Brandon Stark!? Well, I believe is role as the Three Eyed Raven will take him away from rulership. I think he'll abstain his claim.
    • Jon Snow is Jon Targaryen and has rightful claim to the Iron Throne. Moreso than Daenerys Stormborn (I know she's a Targaryen). Also, Jon can have children, while Daenerys cannot. Also, Jon is more accept by the people of Westeros than Daenerys. Also.....
    • Jon is a worg. He can possess the minds of creatures. How will this play out when (IF) he must face the dragons as the White Wolf of the North.
    • Jaimie Lannister is no longer a Kings Guard. He is now the official heir of the Lannister. The last look he gave Cersei spoke volumes. I wonder if he has realized his mistakes. I wonder if he'll find a nice Lady of Tarth to wed and have strong heirs. I wonder if he'll side with North.

    I'd like to speculate that Daenerys will hold the Iron Throne for a short time, if at all. She has never shown herself to be an effective ruler, only an outstanding conqueror. I think she is meant to be the tragic character in this tale of tragedy. She lost her husband, she can't have children, she fights an uphill battle against traditions, and she will die in Westeros. I think she will die valiantly, against the white walkers, but she will die none the less. I'm wondering if George, and the show writers, have thought of the twist of Daenerys turning to a white walker but still having control of the dragons. Tragedy.
     
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  5. Legendary Sidekick

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    Interesting prediction about Dany. She has Chosen One tattooed on her forehead, so for her to rise so high and come crashing down... yeah, I won't rule that out.

    I like Cersei as a villain. I mean I hate her, but I like that she is unquestionably evil. She spared her son, but not really. She knew the prophecy and let Tommen choose to try surviving with mom... or not. Ramsey is a joke; Cersei's a divine comedy.
     
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    Probably fanservice more than anything
    I don't think it's stated that she took all of the soldiers there, so it's likely she left some behind.
    She remarried, so I assume that means she is no longer bound by Tyrion's marriage. I could be wrong though, it'd be a really interesting dynamic.
    He's definitely going to continue his role as the Three Eyed Raven, and I assume will come into play when the whitewalkers start heading over the wall.
    This has been a theory for a long time, but what hints at this?
    I'm fairly certain he will turn against his sister, either joined Jon Snow (because of Brienne) or joining Daenerys when she arrives at their door. I think it's going to be a last minute twist and might unexpectingly murder Cersei.

    She's essentially just gotten more powerful and more powerful during the course of the entire series with little conflict. It would be far too predictable for her to win. She's going to get hit suddenly and it's going to be hard.
     
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  7. Ankari

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    Of Jon being a worg? GRRM wrote a scene where he takes control of his dire wolf. I thought he did something similar in the GOT show? I think they played it off as a dream sequence.
     
  8. Legendary Sidekick

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    Jon and Arya are both wargs in the books. I think in the show, we don't even see Arya's wolf. (We just know she got away in S1.)
     
  9. FifthView

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    For me, the biggest wildcard going into next season will be Euron Greyjoy's forces. He's been introduced, his huge future navy has been implied, so they'll have to do something with him.

    I have visions of Euron confronting Dany's fleet before it reaches Westeros and sinking half or more of the ships (possibly with help from indiscriminate dragon fire in the chaos), reducing her forces substantially. I think that Dany's huge force + the Tyrell and Dorne forces will simply be too huge for the remaining Lannister force at King's Landing, so for the sake of an interesting story something's going to need to be done to maintain suspense and tension. This would be somewhat heartbreaking for me, since Dany's spent all six seasons building up her forces, but it's in line with the sort of GRRM reversal of fortune I expect.

    By my count, the Lannisters now have zero allies. So although I greatly enjoy what's become of Cersei–a complete embodiment of the evil queen trope–I think the Lannisters are in an extremely weakened position.

    But then, Euron's insane enough to decide to team up with the Night King, sailing north to offer him passage around the wall via sea. He gets there, the King kills him and takes the ships, and voila, an answer for getting around the enchanted wall. I HIGHLY doubt this scenario, heh. I'm not sure the undead can pass over water, and imagine that breaching the wall would be too big a spectacle for the producers to pass it up.
     
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  10. Lunaairis

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    I think next season will be dealing with Cersei and Littlefinger. I think Little finger will sit the iron throne before the end of the season, but I also think he will die the moment after. Cersei will die before the 4th episode, choked to death by Jaimie.

    I predict the scene with kings landing and Dany walking through the red keep in 'winter' will come true probably in the later half of the season. Although I could be wrong and Dany's first stop on controlling westeros is going to be kings landing. Cersei will go all Mad Queen and refuse to give her the kingdom and then burn the city to the ground with wild fire, so that Dany can never have it. I still think Jaimie is going to strangle her and become a Queenslayer on top of being Kingslayer.

    The last season going to be all about the white walkers for sure. It will probably also be the point where Samwell will be done learning to be a maester and either return to the north or find some lost knowledge in the citadel blah blah light glass candles and communicate with the north on how to defeat the wrights.

    somethings I wonder about;

    -think Aria is going to go dark side? Will she go to winterfell (upon learning it is stark property again) first or kill Cersei with Jaimies face? I kind of feel she will want to continue on her hit list.

    - Aria is going to come across Melisandre very soon. I don't know whats going to happen. But that will happen.

    -Couldn't Benjen have left Meera and Bran the horse? Is ghost going to find them in the woods? Because ghost has been no where near Jon this whole time.
     
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    I wondered about the horse at that very moment. What, Meera's going to have to drag Bran the rest of the way? Just look at how she had to work so hard to move him closer to the Weirwood tree...

    I'm actually irritated by the way the direwolves, even when alive, were sidelined or missing much of the time. I do think that each of the wolves takes on the personality traits of their owner, and Jon has always been a sort of loner or outcast, so maybe Ghost wanders about as a lone wolf for that reason. (Whereas Robb's fought side by side with him earlier in the series.) I suspect that animating the fully grown direwolves might be costly for the producers, so they've limited appearances...
     
  12. SeverinR

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    I write here after only seeing a few scenes from episodes.

    Interesting The Kingslayer killed the king because he ordered "Burn it all." Now Cersei basically burned a large part of one section of town. Kingslayer adds Queen regent slayer?

    Unlike Jon, Margaery is trapped in a chamber that explodes in flames, flames that go on to burn a section of town. Unless she has the blood of the dragon, like Dany, she is toast and I'm not sure what the God's could piece together to bring her back to life. With Jon, it was simply heal the damage and bestow life. With her, it's give her a whole new body. Also as far as I know she did not know any powerful Cleric that could call on the gods to bring her back to life.
     
  13. FifthView

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    I do believe she's dead, really dead, completely dead.

    But I think it would be hilarious if the child Qyburn sends to spread Tommen's ashes discovered an unburnt Margaery lying in the rubble. Our third dragon rider? I, like many, wonder whether we'll discover that Tyrion is the other Targaryen, that Tywin's wife was unfaithful to him. And Margaery doesn't seem the sort of character I'd expect to be the third. But it would be interesting to see her emerge from the rubble.
     
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    I read an article today saying that GoT had already been officially renewed for a seventh season and not yet an eighth, although the actors were renegotiating contracts for an eighth season and the producers wanted two more shorter seasons. One of the producers/writers mentioned "73" as the total number of episodes they'd guessed needing from the beginning, which could mean next season has 7 episodes and an eighth season would have 6. But that was only an approximate number.

    This would make sense, now that all the major characters will now be on one continent and running into each other, sharing scenes—they wouldn't need so many episodes to keep up with each character arc.
     
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    Pretty sure the horse was also (un)dead.
     
  16. Legendary Sidekick

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    If they do 7 episodes and another 6, I hope that's like Sopranos, where the final six are an extension rather than another season. I'd much rather have a split 13-episode season than have to wait a whole year after a short season.

    Even 10 episodes feels short, though I felt like nine of the episodes were sufficiently entertaining if not wicked awesome. I think the second episode was the only one that didn't do it for me, and everything from 6-10 was done quite well—not flawless, but with so many strengths I can forgive the rah-rah-look-a-dragon and other makefunable bits.
     
  17. Lunaairis

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    On Io9 they were talking about 'at most there is 15 episodes left' after a discussion with the showrunners.

    the article isn't long, and you can read it here.


    They will probably do a full 7th season of 10 episodes. The 8th I could see them not doing a season but instead swapping out to do a movie if it ends up being 3 hours or less of material.

    I'm in agreement with Sidekick I would rather have a long season split then have to wait a whole year for a short season.
     
  18. Legendary Sidekick

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    As long as the final scene isn't a Journey song cut off by black silence, I'll forgive them for making us wait for a three-hour movie.
     
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    I was reminded by a facebook post of the prophesy of Maggy, the frog.
    "she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
    She naturally thought it was Tyrion, (her hatred reinforced), but with the neighborhood nuked with the Prince and his bride fried by Cersei's order...I'm thinking Jaimie will fulfill it.
    I wonder how they will confirm the the King was killed? Can't be much left with that much fire, that blew up so much.
    But I think Cersei has to know she killed her last child before Jaimie kills her.

    I guess Cersei and Jaimie now share the title, Kingslayer.
     
  20. FifthView

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    That certainly seems a possibility. Although I'm curious how he'll "wrap" a metal hand around her throat....

    The article "the" makes me wonder if it could be some other little brother. Bran or Theon? I don't know of any other little brothers of prominence still alive. I suppose Euron Greyjoy is technically a little brother although I think his older brothers are dead. (Same with Loras Tyrell, although he himself seems to be dead.)*

    *Edit: Ah, the Hound is still alive!
     
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